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one day
Published on September 2, 2004 By Sally jacobs In Philosophy
I am going to die, one day whether it be today, tomorrow or sixty years down the line. I will die. This concept used to scare the hell out of me, I mean where do you go, what happens? Is that it, nothingness for eternity. I don't have religious beliefs. I don't believe in certain things, because the truth is, I don't really know. I don't know what will happen till I die. To believe I will return to earth in another capacity is just not possible. Because though it could possibley happen, I just think it's something to make me feel better. That it's a comforting hand on my shoulder, but I'm not filling myself with things that might not be true. Forget that. I'd rather face the harsh reality, that it is something i don't know, and face the fear that goes with that, and I have done. I've been scared with the thought of it, I have feared it, and now I have accepted it. I am not scared of death. I am not scared of dying. I know it's going to happen one day, and I accept it.

I am scared of losing people around me. Their deaths I haven't quite accepted just yet. I have only really dealt with the death of someone close to me once. My grandparents died when I was very young, so I didn't have to deal with that. When I was nine my cousin died. He was fourteen. Even at nine years old, I knew that was a huge waste of a life. He used to babysit me. I looked up to him quite a bit. He went to the beach with his Dad and brothers. It was the summer holidays. Someone had dug a big hole in the sand, and my cousin climbed in it, and dug some more. The hole started to collapse in on him, until it was impossible for him to get out. My uncle clawed at the sand with his hands. It was to late my cousin was dead. At his funeral the thing that was most upsetting looking back, was his school friends. He went to a catholic school, most of my family are pretty religious. They were all there in school uniform their whole lives in front of them, but that was it for him, over. Incredibley sad. My Uncle never dealt with the guilt, he disappeared. He died a few years later. He never returned to being the person he was before my cousin died. Upon finding out that my cousin was dead, his Mum, had a huge nervous breakdown. It took her a long time to recover. She did though, in her own way. She had another baby very soon after, and named him after my cousin. For some reason that always creeped me out. I was nine, so dealing with it wasn't really a huge thing. One day he was there, and one day he wasn't. I missed him at first, but life went on, for me at least.

I think now about how I would deal with the death of someone I loved. I don't honestly know, I don't think I would handle it very well. I'm not good at showing emotion at the best of times. How is it I can accept my death, but not the death of those I love? I would be angry they were taken away from me. Heartbroken at all the things I hadn't said to them. I'd cry where no one could see me. How do you cope when your world is built around someone, and then they are cruely taken away from you? My Auntie didn't really mourn my Uncle when he died. She'd done it along time before. His spirit died with my cousin. She knew where it was heading. Is it easier when you're prepared for it? So you don't have that shock? Or is it worse just waiting for it to happen. Feeling helpless, wishing you could do something to help. At least you can say all the things you want to. Make peace. I think about what would happen if my sister died. We don't speak anymore, and if she went, with me feeling like this towards her, the guilt would eat me up. Is that good enough reason to make peace with her, or is it just selfish? I say I don't want her in my life, but I like to have the choice. For her to be just taken away from me, would break my heart. Just like it would for anyone I loved.

At times like that I'm sure having beliefs really helps. As long as it doesn't make you question them, the beliefs should make you strong. Should give you reason and hope. I always think that, that religion must be such a strong attribute to have. Not for me, to take on religion like that would be like marrying a man I didn't love. Getting all the securities, but not giving myself fully to it, not fully trusting it. I would feel like I was cheating. Looking for an easy way out. Looking for some hope, but not really believing it. I couldn't do that. Maybe I shouldn't compare religion to a marriage. I just think it's something you give yourself totally too. Total commitment. I have great respect for people that do. That their beliefs are that strong. Mine aren't though. I believe in myself. I believe I have guidance. Of course. I just don't know what that is. Maybe one day I will find out. Who knows what will happen. I know we can't live our lives scared of death. Because it will catch us sooner or later. We just need to embrace it with no regrets.

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on Sep 21, 2004
Hello Andy....hi Sally...!

The weather has been so beautiful the past two days that I have had to spend it outside with my little boy soaking up the sunshine......but today it's a bit dull so I thought I'd spend a little time at the ol' comp!
Hope you've both been keeping well...?

I thought I’d waffled on too much about unworldly things, which had put you right off. I enjoy this conversation so much and love hearing your views, but I’m not used to sharing these inner thoughts and views of mine

Andy....don't even let that enter your mind again....I think we're kind of in the same box to an extent........I also enjoy immensely talking about this subject with yourself and Sally.....and also don't find many other interested parties who wont be put off by such unwordly conversations....
...and I also have not had much free time lately but even if I'm not around for a couple of days, I'm sure to be not far off!

Religion suits some people, but it’s more a matter of taste. Just as some people don’t like sugar in their tea, so do some people not like religion in their life. We don't need it ultimately.

Now that makes a lot of sense......and some people like 2 sugars.. some like 6......some don't drink tea ...they drink coffee.....All a matter of personal preference.....But what of people who have been brought up in a strict religious family and know of no other way....and feel they have no choice as it would displease their family...and their church...?

Crusader, it’s interesting that you’ve said “instinct” and “positive” in the same sentence. I believe that we all possess an inner compass (a human instinct) that indicates that the purpose of life and our place in the bigger picture is inherently positive.

I have come to know the feeling of instinct...though it is still very unfamiliar....it is hard at times to have such confidence and faith in your natural judgement.....but sometimes you just know...it just feels right....other times it's a little cloudy and hard to tell whether it is your gut instinct or your just grasping at straws and manipulating an answer....if that makes sense..?

Positive thinking is a powerful tool, and regardless of our external conditions and situations, and also regardless of other people’s opinions, we can succeed or overcome any obstacle or challenge by simply thinking positively.

I totally agree.....I feel like we can do a lot more by focusing our thoughts than we could ever imagine.....It's like we have been given a tool....we've always had it....it just didn't come with any instructions....we don't know what exactly it does...and we definately dont know how to use it properly...so most of us just leave it untouched never bothering to attempt to learn to use it on our own......but some do ...they still don't fully understand it...but they at least pick it up...have a look ...and try it out.....

For example, imaging going to a job interview. If we learned at the end of the interview that we didn’t get the job, how would we be feeling? Our feelings would depend on our attitudes, and our attitudes are something we have control over - at least more so than our physical conditions. If we didn’t get the job, then would we conclude that our experience was a “failure”, and that we are inadequate and lousy with little self-worth? Or would we perceive it as a worthy experience which adds to our personal development and learning in life, and that we can apply for another job at another time?

.....'Control your emotions and you control your world'....It is much easier said than done....but most rewarding once done.....My emotions still rule my world.. but to a much lesser extent than they used to ....I have begun to learn to control them through lifes circumstances.....and it is empowering to feel the grasp on their reins....but it is difficult to hold them for the long term......
....On another note, related to above....my partner always says to his staff..."Dress for the job you want not the one you've got..."and I think it's a very good outlook to give young workers...don't feel stuck in what you've got if you don't like it ..but strive toward what you do want and do like..and start now!

I agree Crusader. I think it takes a lot of inner strength not to get caught up in ‘social weather’, but rather to allow the good weather to shine from within us – regardless of whether its raining ‘out there’ or not.

...Oh yeah.. it really does sometimes......it can be frustrating at times when you're just trying to be a nice person and go about your life and 'a hard nut to crack' comes along swearing bloody murder til they're blue in the face over a little thing....I'm sorry, I had an irate lady throwing sticks at my dogs this morning...she was 'a hard nut to crack' character....and was over agro....and I was just trying to calm her down and have a chat...we're both decent individuals trying to go about our life...Not....she was not into talking at all ...just yelling...So I thanked her for a beautiful start to the day and looked forward to seeing her again....and as she left she attacked my fence with a stick.....Why oh why....does anyone need to be this way...I think that attitude takes a lot more energy than being considerate and tolerant of others....what a shame...I think....strangers on the street never realise the friend they may have passed.......

except for the bit about not having bodies in the hereafter. I believe that we do – only they’re made of different ‘stuff’ from our earthly bodies.

Can you explain further.....

Now do you think if I had said that ( about coming to earth to feed...) to any average ordinary person on the street do you think they would have given me a funny look......and perhaps even worried if I was some sort of vampire or Hannibal the Cannibal character....????
See.....it's nice to have somewhere to come and discuss this sort of thing, Andy!

Crusader, I’ve had a day off work holiday today, and it was a good opportunity to watch that film. What a powerful movie it is! It’s a bit over the top with the blood and gore, in my opinion, but the depth of the story makes up for that. When you said tears streamed down your face as you watched it, I thought, “Get a grip, it can’t be that moving!” I’ve never cried at a movie in my life - until today.

Yeah....I'm a wet blanket with the right movie....
The part that got to me most was how his mother was there...close...and following on his treck with the cross to be crucified and could not do anything to help her son....could not save him.....as a mother myself...I would have given myself in my son's place....anything....I felt such pain from a mothers point of view...
The blood and gore did make it easier for me to turn on the waterworks.....but the pain that he went through ...when he was lashed to near death....and made to carry that cross in the state he was in... and the contempt from the guards and the way they put the crown of thorns on his head......and the way people accepted the punishment and allowed such a thing to take place...and nailing his hands and feet to the cross...everything was so sad.....and all he did was speak words...he didn't hurt anyone.....and even someone who does hurt others didn't deserve such treatment.......it really upset me....enough for the tears to flow through practically the whole movie...and I'm never that much of a crybaby!

Well I have to be off......take care and see you soon!
on Sep 26, 2004

Hi Crusader and Sally,

How are things with you? I hope you’ve had a good week. I would’ve replied earlier, but I haven’t had the chance this week.

The part that got to me most was how his mother was there...close...and following on his treck with the cross to be crucified and could not do anything to help her son....could not save him


Yes, that’s a deep principle that you’ve hit on there Crusader. “Love hurts”, as the saying goes. It’s due to love’s ‘letting go’ - and because of the fact that love does not manipulate or control the beloved - that suffering and pain exists in the first place. By definition, life has a happy ending, however, because love will prevail, and a greater good will arise because of the existence of suffering, rather than in spite of it.

The symbol of the Christian cross and Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection captures this principle perfectly, in my opinion. It also demonstrates that God intimately participates in the world’s suffering and pain. If God wanted us to experience no pain or suffering at all, He would have forced us to stay in Paradise. But then how could we learn and grow without experiencing the other side of the coin? Love does not manipulate or control the beloved - hence God's painful choice to allow His children to leave Home for a while, (that's due to His children's choice, rather than His own), in order for them to experience the pain and challenges of earth-life, and garner soul-faculties needed for spiritual growth and expansion.

Whenever we experience suffering, pain, or loneliness, we need to remember that this world isn’t the be all and end all, and that we are infinitely secure, ultimately. We will come through to the Other Side, stronger and wiser than before, whether we believe that whilst on earth or not. (Sorry to get dogmatic there, but I don’t feel obliged to write “I believe” at the start of each sentence.)

But what of people who have been brought up in a strict religious family and know of no other way....and feel they have no choice as it would displease their family...and their church...?


If people feel that they have no choice in such matters, then they are misguided. Or at least they have room for growth. Fear is a powerful thing instilled by folk who don’t know better. Let them get on with it, is what I say, (unless we feel sufficiently impelled to intervene). Narrow minded folk and people who spend their entire lives controlled by other people’s attitudes – including attitudes of the Church – are simply at a particular stage of growth. There’s a time and a season for everything, and even if that person lives an entire lifetime in a state of narrow mindedness, or in fear, or not thinking for their self, then that particular lifetime would be of great significance to their soul’s eternal story.

I feel like we can do a lot more by focusing our thoughts than we could ever imagine.....It's like we have been given a tool....we've always had it....it just didn't come with any instructions....we don't know what exactly it does...and we definately dont know how to use it properly...


That’s so true Crusader. We’re all free and liberated spiritual beings, and we can do what the hell we want with life. Yet sooner or later we will learn that disciplining the mind and approaching life positively and with a loving attitude is the key to attaining prosperity and inner peace. Either way, we have nothing to fear or worry about, because we are all loved unconditionally, always, anyway. Life is just a grand field of experience for the development and progression of our souls. Nothing really matters, ultimately, because the outcome of life is never in doubt from the divine perspective. That's a liberating principle to accept.

except for the bit about not having bodies in the hereafter. I believe that we do – only they’re made of different ‘stuff’ from our earthly bodies.

Can you explain further.....


The laws of physics on the Other Side are of a different kind to the crude laws of earthly life, so to hear about it is like hearing a foreign language at first. If I told you that the fabric of existence in Heaven (the Real World) is made up of God’s Consciousness, that we can create anything we want by thought-power alone, that mansions, gardens and trees etc. exist there, and that everything there is more real and vibrant than here on earth, would you believe it? Either way, you can read all about it in books written by the psychics, such as ‘Reaching to Heaven’ by James Van Praagh; ‘A World Beyond’ by Ruth Montgomery, ‘Destiny of Souls’ by Michael Newton, and ‘Life on the Other Side’ by Sylvia Browne.

I personally know that these people are telling it the way it is, because I'm psychic myself. Sylvia Browne, in particular, describes Heaven in very basic, earthly language, so it sometimes sounds too good to be true. But you can trust it, is all I can say. It is true that some people aren’t ready for these books. But whether you're ready for it or not, or even if you think that I’m a misguided oaf speaking cobblers, it can still make an interesting read.

Anyway, I’ll catch you soon. Keep safe.

What happened to Sally, by the way? Are you still there?
on Sep 26, 2004

Hello Andy....nice to see you around....well and healthy, I hope.
Hello....Sally .....are you still around....I think we're missing a very insightful point of view here.....

If God wanted us to experience no pain or suffering at all, He would have forced us to stay in Paradise. But then how could we learn and grow without experiencing the other side of the coin? Love does not manipulate or control the beloved - hence God's painful choice to allow His children to leave Home for a while, (that's due to His children's choice, rather than His own), in order for them to experience the pain and challenges of earth-life, and garner soul-faculties needed for spiritual growth and expansion.

That just helped make a lot of sense of things for me....so it's a bit like our lives now...If you put our parents in place of God and ourselves as teenagers on the verge of adulthood.....our parents could force us to stay home so they could protect us from all the ills in the world but by doing that they are stunting our growth to independence and not allowing us to experience life from our own perspective. But by opening the door and giving us the choice.. we either stay under their protective wing or fly out into the world to live and learn and grow. And as much as our parents would like to grab us by the scruff of the neck at times to save us from our own desicions and drag us back into the safety of their secure embrace to do so will not aid our personal growth and the responsibility we hold of making the right choices for our lives and everyones. Not to say that a parent won't try and guide their child through troubled times but no other can force the will of another..it must come from within.

Whenever we experience suffering, pain, or loneliness, we need to remember that this world isn’t the be all and end all, and that we are infinitely secure, ultimately. We will come through to the Other Side, stronger and wiser than before, whether we believe that whilst on earth or not. (Sorry to get dogmatic there, but I don’t feel obliged to write “I believe” at the start of each sentence.)

I guess sometimes it's hard to consider there is so much more to what we are than what we believe...what we see....what we are under the impression to be fact.....but I've always been pretty open minded and have always felt that all that we know is more presumption than fact...
You know....it doesn't really bother me if I never know the answers to life..and death... the meaning of life.....I have no definate angst to know or die searching.....but it's nice to talk about it....it's nice to be curious and consider possibilities.....thankyou for sharing what you know, Andy.....and you have no reason to put 'I believe' in front of every sentence.....I find what you know to be very interesting and appreciate you sharing your knowledge.. and before you feel the need to ask....I don't think you're spinning a web here with us....but I thankyou for ...well...talking with us about it....and having the faith in us to share part of what you know.

If people feel that they have no choice in such matters, then they are misguided. Or at least they have room for growth. Fear is a powerful thing instilled by folk who don’t know better. Let them get on with it, is what I say, (unless we feel sufficiently impelled to intervene). Narrow minded folk and people who spend their entire lives controlled by other people’s attitudes – including attitudes of the Church – are simply at a particular stage of growth. There’s a time and a season for everything, and even if that person lives an entire lifetime in a state of narrow mindedness, or in fear, or not thinking for their self, then that particular lifetime would be of great significance to their soul’s eternal story.

When I was a child I remember feeling that I had no choices....not in those particular words but ..at such a young age (3 or 4) I felt like life swept me up and took me where it wanted to go and I was along for the ride....but as I got older ...over time..I slowly realised I did have choices....what I chose led my future....and by teenage years that thought was in full force and I actually went of the rails for a time...so to speak. All these choices that would take me to so many different outcomes....and over time again I came to understand more about consequences to the choices made...not just instant but longterm too....and now I feel I have come to a good part of my life where I have experienced a lot of good and bad and now have settled down to put my childrens lives in the foreground and help them manouvre through their course of life.
So....people who allow others to rule their life and make their desicions are very young and don't know any better yet...until they mature and begin to see their real destiny.....to lead themselves.
I agree...fear is very powerful...fear can make people do most atrocious things...and fear is a great method of control by those that wish to control...

We’re all free and liberated spiritual beings, and we can do what the hell we want with life. Yet sooner or later we will learn that disciplining the mind and approaching life positively and with a loving attitude is the key to attaining prosperity and inner peace.

That is where I feel I am at now....'disciplining the mind and approaching life positively and with a loving attitude'....and I have never been happier in my life....I have made plenty of mistakes in the past but each one has brought me to where I am now....and there is nowhere I would rather be.

If I told you that the fabric of existence in Heaven (the Real World) is made up of God’s Consciousness, that we can create anything we want by thought-power alone, that mansions, gardens and trees etc. exist there, and that everything there is more real and vibrant than here on earth, would you believe it?

But what do we do.....? What takes up our times...do we still play sport...write and read......or do we simply meditate all day...do we have days..?.. Do we have nights..? Do we sleep..?...If you like Andy...bombard me with explainations....I'm ready for it!!
I might look up some of those books you mentioned......

Must be off.....take care....see you soon.
on Sep 27, 2004
Um...I would just like to ask, also, what of animals and all the other millions of creatures in the world other than ourselves, what of their souls..their essence of being..are they part of the same cycle of existence as us?
on Sep 28, 2004
Hey guys! I'm still here, reading what you two are writing. I just don't feel I have that much to add. I agree with most of what you're saying. The choices we make for ourselves are important ones. People who believe in religion I feel don't think they have full control of their actions and therefore are just following a path that they aren't being true to themselves. I don't know if that sounds harsh. We should trust ourselves, and our decisions. To be right by our standards, not anybody elses. Life is one long cycle, that we may have many chances to get right over time. We should true our own opinions, and make our own decisions, eventually we will get it right!

I have come to know the feeling of instinct...though it is still very unfamiliar....it is hard at times to have such confidence and faith in your natural judgement.....but sometimes you just know...it just feels right..


I trust my instincts. They aren't always right, but I trust them anyway. I follow my heart. I know it's a dangerous path to follow, but it's the one I trust the most.

I just wanted to add that really. I think you are both very intelligent and insightful, and this conversation has opened my mind to quite a few things, and for that I can't thankyou both enough. It still comes down to personal choice, and personal growth though. That's what it's all about, and what we are doing right now.

Sorry I really didn't have anything to add, just letting you know I'm still here, carry on....
on Sep 29, 2004
Hi, how are you doing? I hope all is well. It’s nice to see you back Sally. It’s a fascinating discussion this one, not everybody’s cup of tea, but we can carry it on until we’ve either had enough or got bored. Whether that’s tomorrow or next year for some, doesn’t really matter.

We should trust ourselves … To be right by our standards, not anybody elses … I follow my heart … it's the one I trust the most


I don’t think that anybody could speak a higher truth than those words Sally. When we hear other views, it will serve us to weight them up, and choose for ourselves whether to adhere to them and trust them or not. After all, that's what it's all about.

Crusader, I loved your comments, and I agree with them all. I’ll share what I know and will attempt to answer your questions.

What of animals and all the other millions of creatures in the world other than ourselves, what of their souls..their essence of being..are they part of the same cycle of existence as us?


Yes, I believe that the inner-essence of all animals is spirit. Ultimately, the inner-essence of everything is rooted in spirit. But what’s the difference between animals and humans? From a materialistic point of view, the difference between animals and humans appears minimal. Yet from a spiritual point of view, the difference is far greater. Human beings possess self-awareness and higher faculties which enable us to reflect upon life’s purpose, and freely orient our energies toward goodness, love and understanding. These higher faculties are spiritual and 'divine'.

So how does this fit in with evolution, incidentally? We can appreciate that before the arrival of the first human being, an ape-like species evolved, which possessed mere ‘animal-consciousness’, devoid of divine faculties. Only when the higher, divine souls were breathed into earthly bodies did human beings enter the world's arena, who were created "in the image and likeness of God".

When animals die, they too pass over to the Other Side. Heaven is simply a place where life continues forever, only in a different form, more ‘true’ to its real nature than physical form. (Physical matter is merely a different form of energy that has ‘crystallised’ into a more dense form than its forebear spirit.)

Ultimately, everything is rooted in spirit. Evolution, for example, is a process whereby physical matter patterns itself upon invisible forms of information. This information is not physical. It is more akin to spirit. In other words, the unfolding of life on earth is really an expression, or a manifestation, of a grand Idea. The whole universe is one such Idea, which was conceived originally in the Mind of God. It subsequently became manifest as a physical realm by God’s “Word”. (Our Christian religion expresses this principle clearly: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. … And God said, ‘Let there be light’.” - John 1.1; Genesis 1.3)

This instant of Creation was our universe’s “Big Bang”.

do we have days..?.. Do we have nights..? Do we sleep..?...


No, because time doesn’t exist in Heaven. We don’t need sleep because we don’t exert or lose energy in the same manner as we do in these crude earthly bodies. As to the issue of days and nights, “time” as we experience it on earth is exclusively bound to physical realms such as our universe. The sun and the moon don’t exist in Heaven, because all light emanates from the Real Source. Everything in Heaven is more vibrant and of a more beautiful hue than things on earth. At Home, we relish in an eternal-now, and the so-called passing of “time” is felt only by our subjective states of being. (See, I told you that this stuff will be difficult to grasp).

do we still play sport...write and read......or do we simply meditate all day ?


Yes to all of those. Heaven is a tangible place, ordered and harmonious - a literal Paradise. We can socialise, go for walks, study, meditate, procreate, play games. It is our real Home, where we are at our most alive and vibrant. Heaven has gardens and natural wonders which display a beauty that cannot be expressed in words. Apart from God’s natural wonders, there are also countless other things in Heaven created by souls like us – mansions, pieces of art, concert halls, towns. But because of its nature and substance, Heaven cannot really be compared to life on earth. It can’t even be described in human language without sounding somewhat strange. (Although it’s not “strange” at all. It’s our Home - even more 'real' than earth. It is only strange from within the context of our limited earthly minds).

The Spirit World presently eludes our worldly scientific endeavours, not only because it exists in a different dimension, (actually closer to us than we might think), but also because it exists at a higher vibrational frequency than physical matter. To most humans, the existence of Paradise sounds like a pipe dream. But ironically, that’s all part of the plan. These things are secret for a very good reason.

If you personally believe that we are cosmic accidents in a purposeless universe, that all is death and finality, and that God doesn’t even exist, then that point of view is perfect for your present stage of spiritual growth and awareness. There is nothing “wrong” with that point of view, ironically.

It has indeed taken the highest form of innovation and intelligence for God to place us in a realm where it’s possible for us to actually believe that we are “small”, “alone” and “worthless.” Such concepts are incoherent in Heaven. Yet they exist in order for us to acquire the full scope of wisdom, and to provide us with challenges that can be overcome from within - thus providing opportunities for optimum growth, maturity and inner-muscle building. Once we have lived in a harsh life in a broken world like earth, and have truly believed that this is the be all and end all, then we are able to fully appreciate the wonder and security of our eternal lives in Paradise.

Because of the route of progression and learning that we ourselves have freely chosen, our earthly minds are deliberately veiled from our Divine estate. (This principle is described as “the Fall of Man”, or “the Separation”, by our religious traditions.) Whilst clothed in the human costume, we are able to experience strange things such as “fear”, “pain”, “loneliness”, “ugliness”, “insecurity” and the old chestnut “death”. But the good news is that it’s all an illusion. And a profound one at that. Deep down, our heart already knows this, and once we get in touch with the wisdom of our heart, rather than the cleverness of our head, we can begin to know the truth, which will set us free.

If any of this sounds a tad dogmatic, then I must apologise. I’d like to think that it’s no more dogmatic than anyone else’s point of view.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you again. Keep safe, I’ll catch you later,

Andy

(I hate to do this, but I need to protect this stuff as I've taken some bits from my book)...

Copyright © 2004 Andrew Baker All rights reserved. September 29, 2004
on Sep 29, 2004
(I got caught out by that double page thing again. Just deleted this one!)
on Sep 29, 2004
Hi Sally!

Hey guys! I'm still here, reading what you two are writing. I just don't feel I have that much to add.

Glad you're still around.....but missing your opinion.....c'mon Sally...you always have something great to add!!

Actually, I have just popped in momentarily as I propbably wont be around til next week and wanted to let you know that I haven't bailed!

I hope when I come back that there's a lot to read between the two of you.

Hope life is good to you both and that health and happiness is always a big part of your life!
on Sep 29, 2004
(Laugh)

I did it again....didn't realize that you were on to page two. Didn't see you there Andy!

I'll have to come back and have a proper read of what you have written, Andy.....very short on time right now.
See you both soon.....oh and have a good weekend!
on Oct 01, 2004
Sally sweetheart, are you still around? I hope to hear from you again. I’ve still got lots of stuff bubbling up inside me regarding this topic, so I can’t help but give vent to it on your thread. I hope you don’t mind, and that it’s not getting too boring.

I’m excited to know that the next phase of human evolution, (over the next few centuries or so), is psychic intuition and spiritual awareness. The implications of this will be profound. It will mean that ‘Mrs. Smith’, the humble lady who lives down the street, will possess more knowledge of Ultimate Reality, (i.e. answers to the deepest questions of life), than our world’s greatest scientists. The latter will be bound to the limited scope of the intellect, which assumes that our five senses are the finest key to knowledge; whilst the former will be in touch with the wisdom of the heart, which will have blossomed to such a stage as to allow one to have glimpsed the infinite Wisdom of God.

Mrs. Smith will know that love and humility are the greatest powers in the world, and that a “child like faith” is all we need to grasp answers to life’s deepest questions. But our materialist scientists will still be assuming that “survival of the fittest”, and principles of “might is right” are the real route to success and prosperity, and that this physical realm is the be all and end all.

If humanity can survive the transition into adulthood, then the pressure of the Truth will continue rising to the top. Consequently, more and more people will reach the same wavelength as our dear Mrs. Smith. This global-consciousness will lead humanity to grow sceptical of our worldly tutors, (i.e. materialist scientists and some of our egotistical politicians), and our present materialistic model of the world will eventually become antiquated. We will begin to know that there is something more to life, that we have nothing to fear, and that there is a divine plan, leading toward an all-wise and beneficent end.

Sally babe, as to the title of your blog, “I'm going to die”, all I can say from my own perspective is that no you aren’t. You will be around for all eternity my sweetheart, and that’s not a bad thing, considering the nature of the bigger picture.

But whatever our beliefs, whatever our doubts, and whatever our inner state, we can begin to find better self-acceptance and inner peace by learning to love ourself, to trust ourself, and to find our sanctuary within. We don’t need God in our life, and neither do we need to find ‘Mr or Mrs Right’ in order to be content and at peace. We only need ourself, integrity, and self-love. The rest will follow.

I hope this doesn’t get interpreted as “preaching”. As I said before, this stuff has been bubbling inside me for years, and I can’t really talk about it in the real world, as it’s just not the type of thing to discuss. What better way to give vent to it verbally than a chat forum in JU?

Anyway, I hope you’re enjoying your weekend. Keep safe, I’ll catch you later,

Andy
on Oct 05, 2004
Hi, where did you both go? Looks like I really killed the thread this time. Was I being too dogmatic?

Anyway, I hope all is well. I'll catch you another time,

Andy
on Oct 05, 2004
Hi, where did you both go? Looks like I really killed the thread this time. Was I being too dogmatic?

Anyway, I hope all is well. I'll catch you soon,

Andy
on Oct 08, 2004
Hi, I didn’t want to leave without saying bye bye. Thanks for having me on board for a while. It’s been a unique experience for me, and it’s great to find a place where people can share their thoughts and express their views unabashedly. I’ve loved meeting you people, and even though it’s time for me to go, I’ll definitely see you again in a better place.

Remember there’s a real world out there, (and I’m not talking about earthly life), and all the stuff we face in this world is excellent fodder for the soul - even if it doesn’t seem that way in the midst of it - as you’ll find out one day for real.

Stay safe, and keep the cockles in your heart warm.

With all my love, Andy x
on Oct 08, 2004
Andy! I'm here, why are you going? Don't you read my articles anymore? I will miss you!!!!!! Please stay
on Oct 09, 2004
Don't go, Andy....I have just had a lot going on in my life lately but could probablly continue this converstation for the rest of my life!
I have even more questions about life after death .....my Nanna died this week and well...I was hoping to ask you where you imagined she'd be...to set my mind at ease.....sigh...my Nanna was ninety six so she definately lived a long fulfilled life but....it is hard to come to terms with the finality of her not being in our lives any more....I miss her...
I've spent this week with my parents ....in times like these it is important to pull together as a family and since my brothers and sister couldn't be here as they are all scattered around the globe and my Nanna was really the last of her era having long outlived everyone else and anyone who is left is in England and too old or ill to travel ...there was really just Mum, Dad, myself, my partner and our son....Mum was really quite upset that there wouldn't be more people to see her off.
We had her funeral yesterday and I have cried and cried and cried...I just find it difficult to come to terms with the fact that she is gone forever.
When we were standing around her casket I just wanted to give her once last big hug like I would never let go .......but I didn't want to mess her hair and make up.....and well I could see that she was not there ...that is was a mere husk of who she had been and .........

I hope you come back and check on us Andy.....it's just a little hard to find time sometimes so I'll just let you know now that even if I'm gone for a few weeks or a month I'll be back eventually as I'm sure Sallly will (not presuming Sally but I feel that you find this as interesting as myself!)
I could quite easily keep coming back here for years and years as this is a topic I don't think we could exhaust too quickly.

Sally....Andy....thankyou for having me as part of this conversation and I hope we keep it going for a long time to come.
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