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one day
Published on September 2, 2004 By Sally jacobs In Philosophy
I am going to die, one day whether it be today, tomorrow or sixty years down the line. I will die. This concept used to scare the hell out of me, I mean where do you go, what happens? Is that it, nothingness for eternity. I don't have religious beliefs. I don't believe in certain things, because the truth is, I don't really know. I don't know what will happen till I die. To believe I will return to earth in another capacity is just not possible. Because though it could possibley happen, I just think it's something to make me feel better. That it's a comforting hand on my shoulder, but I'm not filling myself with things that might not be true. Forget that. I'd rather face the harsh reality, that it is something i don't know, and face the fear that goes with that, and I have done. I've been scared with the thought of it, I have feared it, and now I have accepted it. I am not scared of death. I am not scared of dying. I know it's going to happen one day, and I accept it.

I am scared of losing people around me. Their deaths I haven't quite accepted just yet. I have only really dealt with the death of someone close to me once. My grandparents died when I was very young, so I didn't have to deal with that. When I was nine my cousin died. He was fourteen. Even at nine years old, I knew that was a huge waste of a life. He used to babysit me. I looked up to him quite a bit. He went to the beach with his Dad and brothers. It was the summer holidays. Someone had dug a big hole in the sand, and my cousin climbed in it, and dug some more. The hole started to collapse in on him, until it was impossible for him to get out. My uncle clawed at the sand with his hands. It was to late my cousin was dead. At his funeral the thing that was most upsetting looking back, was his school friends. He went to a catholic school, most of my family are pretty religious. They were all there in school uniform their whole lives in front of them, but that was it for him, over. Incredibley sad. My Uncle never dealt with the guilt, he disappeared. He died a few years later. He never returned to being the person he was before my cousin died. Upon finding out that my cousin was dead, his Mum, had a huge nervous breakdown. It took her a long time to recover. She did though, in her own way. She had another baby very soon after, and named him after my cousin. For some reason that always creeped me out. I was nine, so dealing with it wasn't really a huge thing. One day he was there, and one day he wasn't. I missed him at first, but life went on, for me at least.

I think now about how I would deal with the death of someone I loved. I don't honestly know, I don't think I would handle it very well. I'm not good at showing emotion at the best of times. How is it I can accept my death, but not the death of those I love? I would be angry they were taken away from me. Heartbroken at all the things I hadn't said to them. I'd cry where no one could see me. How do you cope when your world is built around someone, and then they are cruely taken away from you? My Auntie didn't really mourn my Uncle when he died. She'd done it along time before. His spirit died with my cousin. She knew where it was heading. Is it easier when you're prepared for it? So you don't have that shock? Or is it worse just waiting for it to happen. Feeling helpless, wishing you could do something to help. At least you can say all the things you want to. Make peace. I think about what would happen if my sister died. We don't speak anymore, and if she went, with me feeling like this towards her, the guilt would eat me up. Is that good enough reason to make peace with her, or is it just selfish? I say I don't want her in my life, but I like to have the choice. For her to be just taken away from me, would break my heart. Just like it would for anyone I loved.

At times like that I'm sure having beliefs really helps. As long as it doesn't make you question them, the beliefs should make you strong. Should give you reason and hope. I always think that, that religion must be such a strong attribute to have. Not for me, to take on religion like that would be like marrying a man I didn't love. Getting all the securities, but not giving myself fully to it, not fully trusting it. I would feel like I was cheating. Looking for an easy way out. Looking for some hope, but not really believing it. I couldn't do that. Maybe I shouldn't compare religion to a marriage. I just think it's something you give yourself totally too. Total commitment. I have great respect for people that do. That their beliefs are that strong. Mine aren't though. I believe in myself. I believe I have guidance. Of course. I just don't know what that is. Maybe one day I will find out. Who knows what will happen. I know we can't live our lives scared of death. Because it will catch us sooner or later. We just need to embrace it with no regrets.

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on Sep 12, 2004
Hey Crusader hunny! I have just woke up, and was immediatley drawn to this article, hehe! Does that suggest I have no life? I don't know...anywho....thanks for sharing your thoughts, here goes....

though I have always thought it was quite the tool for people in which to give them some sort of basis in which to head....though again on the other hand the people are a tool to the churches and religion.....it is no secret that religion...or some of those in postions of influence in the churches have used mans weakness for their own purpose through the ages.


This is where my opinions get slightly unpopular. Religion does give people somewhere to head, and a guide through life, if people need that, then more power to them. In my opinion, it tries to manipulate people into a certain way of thinking, and for me is nothing short of brainwashing. People are able to think for themselves. They were put here on earth to do so. Not to live life by certain rules, if that was the case, the world would never evolve.

Do you think this day and age could be the time for slow improvement?


Honestly, I don't think so. I think we need a sharp kick to the teeth to knock some sense into us. I think it will get far worse, before it gets better.

We wish so much ill and harm on those we hate...but if only people could open their hearts and love those that would not love them....have compassion for those who would not otherwise receive it for their actions...and forgive and move forward in their life to a place without Hate...Revenge...Bitterness...but where they feel Love...Respect...and Compassion for all kind....and show them that they can change and they will be accepted.


Crusader you are such a good person, if only everyone thought like you did. Love will conquer all, I truely believe that.

Yet unfortunately I feel we fail to see that.....we live in a segregated world......we separate ourselves by country....colour...classes.......I hope that we can one day see the bigger picture...see that we are all connected


I think on this one we are making progress, very slowly, but we are, and it takes people like you to push us that bit forward.

I think we have a similar view of alot of things, but I find your thoughts very insightful, thanks for sharing hunny xxx
on Sep 12, 2004
H Sally and Crusader, and anyone else who might be here. I hope all is well. I was driving back from Ely this morning, and I was looking forward to reading what you've put. I was also thinking, “It would be nice get a film out tonight. I think I’ll think check out The Passion of the Christ and see what it’s like.” I just read your comments about it Crusader, and now I’ll definitely get that one out next.

Sally, your answers to Cursader’s questions are spooky – they’re bang-on with the answers I was going to give. Are you sure we’re not sharing the same mind here? I’ll share my answers anyway, and hopefully not add too much of my waffle.

I am totally loving this discussion


Me too. I think it’s an important topic, because whatever we believe, it’s dealing with the ultimate nature of our existence. I believe that it’s healthy to hear as many views as possible, weigh it up, and make our own minds up as to what makes sense and what we can believe.

does God ever step in and help the soul in question?


Sally’s answer hit the nail on the head: We can think of God as an observer. We all have our lessons to learn, mistakes to make, and experiences to face. God wouldn’t interfere in ways that would detriment our growth. As well as the observer, I believe that God can be our Source of inner-peace, strength and hope throughout our journey on earth. It’s all a question of faith, really, although I prefer the word “trust”.

Earth is our learning ground......what happens when our actions have caused us to destroy our planet and we no longer have our earth in which to grow and expand our souls.....where do we go from there??


I believe that earth isn’t the only planet we incarnate on. There are countless other worlds, in this universe and in others. It’s all part of the One Creation, (God’s Plan), and I believe that life on earth is only a tiny fraction of the bigger picture.

So what happens here on earth doesn't really matter....except for our personal trials.......so I really shouldn't bother to help those in need as they are only growning from what they are experiencing


Like Sally said, what you decide to do about such things is your own trial, not theirs. To assist others in need is to exercise love. I believe that the fastest way to advance spiritually is to love. If we believe that success in life means to ‘get one up’ on another, or that the only way to feel good about ourself is to exploit another’s weaknesses or failures, then there’s plenty of room for growth, in my opinion.

As long as we strive to love others as ourself, we can’t go far wrong. The outcome of this principle will depend on whether we love ourself first, of course. After all, if we don’t first love ourself, then we can find it difficult to love others. Nobody is perfect, and I believe that we can strive for complete self-acceptance. (i.e. to accept our faults and bad qualities, be ourselves, and find inner peace despite our imperfections.) Through a process of self-exploration and self-awareness, we can be in a stronger position to do something about weeding out our faults and weaknesses, if possible.

Why do we have so many religions on earth....do we need them while we are here??


We all have different tastes and beliefs, and some religious practices and beliefs suit certain people better than others. Our religions aim to provide answers to deeper questions regarding the nature of Ultimate Reality and the Infinite. The common ground within all religions is actually very large, and although I believe that no single religion describes the full picture, when merged they can disclose a fuller picture.

For example, at a broad stroke, Eastern wisdom (1) teaches that the ultimate dimension of reality is Spirit; (2) shares practices and principles which focus upon the inner experience of God, i.e. leading to inner peace and strength; and (3) claims that we have many lives on earth, (the doctrine of re-incarnation.)

Western wisdom, however, (1) declares the existence of a Mindful God, the nature of whom is Personhood, rather than a vast, impersonal Force; (2) affirms that our lives are part of a greater plan, devised and created intentionally by God for an all-wise and loving purpose; and (3) declares that Heaven awaits us beyond the veil of death.

The model of the world that I’ve described throughout this blog combines underlying Eastern and Western beliefs, and sees no contradictions. Our religions are like ‘maps’ which attempt to describe the Territory. Even though some religious doctrines might portray an inaccurate map, (such as the existence of the devil, and the principle of eternal damnation in Hell), I believe that many other religious revelations are on the ball. But as long as we follow the compass within our own heart, we can discern for ourselves which maps are correct and which are inaccurate.

At the risk of sounding like a pompous twat, I need to put a copyright on this post, because bits have been taken straight from my book, which I haven’t published yet.

Copyright © 2004 Andrew Baker All rights reserved. September 12, 2004

(Sorry about that. Doesn't that look shite)

In my opinion, religion tries to manipulate people into a certain way of thinking, and for me is nothing short of brainwashing. People are able to think for themselves. They were put here on earth to do so. Not to live life by certain rules, if that was the case, the world would never evolve


I completely agree Sally. To me, much of religion is like a man made ‘framework’, which attempts to embrace the Spirit of things. But over the ages, man’s focus has shifted more upon the dogmatic framework of religion than on the Spirit itself. Religion has understandably become like meaningless crap for most people. Incidentally, I believe that we can evolve (advance) our interpretation of religious doctrines, rather than the written doctrines themselves.

Love will conquer all, I truely believe that


Me too. I’m a sucker for love. And I'm finding all your views so insightful and excellent fodder to chew on.

I'll catch you soon, I'm just off out to get that movie in a mo'. Keep safe, Andy
on Sep 12, 2004
Sally, your answers to Cursader’s questions are spooky – they’re bang-on with the answers I was going to give. Are you sure we’re not sharing the same mind here?


Hehe, if we do, I'm guessing you got the majority of it!

I believe that it’s healthy to hear as many views as possible, weigh it up, and make our own minds up as to what makes sense and what we can believe.


I agree, it is the only way we will learn. Healthy debate is good, we don't always have to agree but we can learn!

As well as the observer, I believe that God can be our Source of inner-peace, strength and hope throughout our journey on earth. It’s all a question of faith, really, although I prefer the word “trust”.


I don't have that inner-peace yet. I am to stubborn to accept help on my journey, I'd prefer to tough it out myself. I guess I just don't trust.

The outcome of this principle will depend on whether we love ourself first, of course. After all, if we don’t first love ourself, then we can find it difficult to love others. Nobody is perfect, and I believe that we can strive for complete self-acceptance


I love this concept. So many people forget to love themselves, but how is any other love possible without that? I struggled with that for a long time, but now I do accept myself, and love all my qualities, even the negatives.

At the risk of sounding like a pompous twat, I need to put a copyright on this post, because bits have been taken straight from my book, which I haven’t published yet.


Oooh how interesting? I'd like to know more about you Andy. What made you write a book, what it is you actually do. i feel you need to write an article...

Andy your comment on religion I couldn't agree more with, this is waht frustrates me about faith, because it is been cheapened. Peopole are using it for their own gains, and I refuse to trust it. I will go on my merry way, and find my own path!

Me too. I’m a sucker for love. And I'm finding all your views so insightful and excellent fodder to chew on.


Yeh I'm a sucker for love too. I also find your views insightful, but you already know that! Thanks for taking the time to respond, i greatly appreciate it xxx

P.S Where is Crusader?

on Sep 12, 2004
Here I am!
Sally, Andy...hope you are well and happy....Every time I log on.. this is where I come running to......
I have just woke up, and was immediatley drawn to this article, hehe! Does that suggest I have no life?
..It's not that we have no life......just that we're interested in life....

So much to read.....

This is where my opinions get slightly unpopular. Religion does give people somewhere to head, and a guide through life, if people need that, then more power to them. In my opinion, it tries to manipulate people into a certain way of thinking, and for me is nothing short of brainwashing. People are able to think for themselves. They were put here on earth to do so. Not to live life by certain rules, if that was the case, the world would never evolve.

I absolutely agree....it preys on the weak....those who are vulnerable....I definately think the world would work better if we thought a little more for ourselves.....I think we all have an idea of what is right and wrong....we don't need someone to tell us how to live happy, peaceful lives side by side respecting others right to exist also.......I guess a big question is ....with or without religion....Why do we not do that......respect everyones right of existence?

Me too. I think it’s an important topic, because whatever we believe, it’s dealing with the ultimate nature of our existence. I believe that it’s healthy to hear as many views as possible, weigh it up, and make our own minds up as to what makes sense and what we can believe.

No one man has all the answers.....I have always thought that to know myself I must know others and to know others I must know myself.......and everytime I have the privilige to hear someone elses train of thought...beliefs.....life story.....my reaction and feeling toward their story reveals something more about myself that I had not known.....the interaction I have with others allows me to find me...
It's amazing that, for such an important subject, not may people are interested in discussing...and questioning....and even simply wondering about that of which we don't know......at times I feel it is nice to be blissfully ignorant...but really I think it is part of who we are to question the unquestionable.

Sally’s answer hit the nail on the head: We can think of God as an observer. We all have our lessons to learn, mistakes to make, and experiences to face. God wouldn’t interfere in ways that would detriment our growth. As well as the observer, I believe that God can be our Source of inner-peace, strength and hope throughout our journey on earth. It’s all a question of faith, really, although I prefer the word “trust”.

Yes, I understand that.....if God were to step in every time we made a mistake there would be no challenge and no growth and we would become dependent on our saviour. Hmmm...yeah...Trust is a good word to use.....as in a personal relationship ...if you don't trust your partner you will not find happiness as you will plague your mind with doubt and not see past your shallow fears......and love slips through your fingers because you were not brave enough to love and be loved unconditionally.


I believe that earth isn’t the only planet we incarnate on. There are countless other worlds, in this universe and in others. It’s all part of the One Creation, (God’s Plan), and I believe that life on earth is only a tiny fraction of the bigger picture.


Oh no ....you said the U word....now this is a question I would love your opinions on.....Where does the universe end? How can it end? This is how I have tried to picture it in the past......I am sitting in my house...that ends and then there is my garden...that ends and then there is my town ...that ends and then there is my state....that ends and then there is my country...that ends and then there is the Earth....that ends and then there is our galaxy...that ends and then there is our universe that ends and then there is ......if you got to the end of the universe and there was a brick wall with a sign saying The End...there would be something on the other side ......it is a subject that sends my mind into backflips and somersaults....!!!!!

Honestly, I don't think so. I think we need a sharp kick to the teeth to knock some sense into us. I think it will get far worse, before it gets better.

Hmmm...what about instead of a sharp kick to the teeth .......it was something positive......something so big and so positive and hopeful that people stopped and listened and changed their way of thinking on a world scale and made an effort to make a better world for our children.....could that be as effective as a horrific negative to change our ways?

Like Sally said, what you decide to do about such things is your own trial, not theirs. To assist others in need is to exercise love. I believe that the fastest way to advance spiritually is to love. If we believe that success in life means to ‘get one up’ on another, or that the only way to feel good about ourself is to exploit another’s weaknesses or failures, then there’s plenty of room for growth, in my opinion.

If only people would see our equality ....feel our connection.....no man is more important then the next.......and no amount of wealth is more important than life.
Do you think we could reach a stage where we ensure every man woman and child has the fundamental needs in life..?...the basic needs of food and water...shelter and healthcare......I feel that no individual man will be completely happy until we have given the freedom to every man to live humbly........live happily...peacefully and free....
My vision sees a world where family and life is of importance...not wealth and power......where every child grows knowing the love and security of their parents....no one goes hungry and everyone has a home...and everyone is accepted..everyone is a part of our journey.......
To reach that stage would start a domino effect.....children grow into happy...content adults rather than the lives society pushes people to from chilhood.... The world would still go on as it does...there willl still be people who strive for more and those who simply want to exist peacefully...but we will be accepting our responsibility for the bigger picture and be taking everyone under the wing of compassion.....

I don't have that inner-peace yet. I am to stubborn to accept help on my journey, I'd prefer to tough it out myself. I guess I just don't trust.

Ah..Sally....but at least you are questioning.....so you have some kind of trust forming....you are trusting yourself to find what answers you may search for......you are having an open mind...rather than keeping your blinders firmly attached.
I feel we have similar outlooks......

I love this concept. So many people forget to love themselves, but how is any other love possible without that? I struggled with that for a long time, but now I do accept myself, and love all my qualities, even the negatives.

I think it's not so much about loving yourself... but more about accepting who you are....knowing who you are, not wanting to be someone else...but making the most of who you are and not being afraid to be you.....When I was younger....late teens....I remember coming to the realisation one day that I was not being me but what I thought others wanted me to be and I had no idea on how to be myself.....I had lost who I was with no idea when this had occurred ....so I spent a lot of time on a hillside ..on my own ...without distraction....I found the tail end of who I was and I followed it...learnt from myself who I was...and through a few stumbling blocks along the way...here I am.
I feel that a lot of people are where I was .....in the grey are of being what others expect....and it's not easy to break out ....some people can find that those around them don't want them to change....they want to keep the familiar even if that is not who you are.....

I will go on my merry way, and find my own path!

Me too...I don't see a problem with my path........I would rather tread the right path with few than stampede the wrong path with many.

Sally, Andy and anyone else who may have their insight to add.....Loving this discussion and I hope we keep it going.....and going...and going....

Have a happy day...
on Sep 13, 2004
Every time I log on.. this is where I come running to......


Hehe...I feel less silly now!

I absolutely agree....it preys on the weak....those who are vulnerable....I definately think the world would work better if we thought a little more for ourselves.....I think we all have an idea of what is right and wrong....we don't need someone to tell us how to live happy, peaceful lives side by side respecting others right to exist also.......I guess a big question is ....with or without religion....Why do we not do that......respect everyones right of existence?


I think some people need this though. I don't agree with it, I think that it is a weakness, and I couldn't allow myself to be lead like that. having said that, some people are not as strong willed as me. They feel ebtter with some guidance, when their world is falling apart, religion is something they can turn too. It is a support system. Just because I don't dig that, doesn't mean it's wrong. What I do disagree with is people forcing religion on you. People trying to convince you their religion is right. That really gets on my nerves. I don't stand in shopping centres, or knock on peoples doors trying to convince them not to follow a religion, so i don't appreciate people doing it to me! *rant over*

It's amazing that, for such an important subject, not may people are interested in discussing...and questioning....and even simply wondering about that of which we don't know......at times I feel it is nice to be blissfully ignorant...but really I think it is part of who we are to question the unquestionable.


It's not a topic everyone is comfortable with. Some see it to be pointless, as it is something we actually have no control over, so why bother discussing it. You're right when you say sometimes ignorance is bliss. I remember times when I was a child, when I looked at everything through innocent eyes. I miss that. I am also glad I am more aware now, because it means I am growing as a person. That is important to me. If I feel like I Am learning, I feel like I am improving, and that's what life is about, learning. To many people get tangled up in the day to day grind. There is a bigger picture to consider.

and love slips through your fingers because you were not brave enough to love and be loved unconditionally.


I have trust issues. Huge trust issues. It sometimes in fear that I will never allow myself to truely love. I am my own person so much, and I just wonder if there isn't enough room for anyone else, but as I said it's a learning curve.

In my opinion, the universe is just the start, rather than the end. My own simplistic way of looking at this is we used to think the world was flat. Look where that got us. There is only an end to the universe, when our imagination ends.

what about instead of a sharp kick to the teeth .......it was something positive......something so big and so positive and hopeful that people stopped and listened and changed their way of thinking on a world scale and made an effort to make a better world for our children.....could that be as effective as a horrific negative to change our ways?



I'd love that to be the case, and maybe it could happen. I don't have that much faith in human nature though. Just pick up your local paper for example, what's front page news? Something negative or something positve? There you will get your answer....


Do you think we could reach a stage where we ensure every man woman and child has the fundamental needs in life..?...the basic needs of food and water...shelter and healthcare......I feel that no individual man will be completely happy until we have given the freedom to every man to live humbly........live happily...peacefully and free....


My vision sees a world where family and life is of importance...not wealth and power......where every child grows knowing the love and security of their parents....no one goes hungry and everyone has a home...and everyone is accepted..everyone is a part of our journey.......


Ok this is where idealist me fights with realist me. I can't agree with this. Even in an ideal world this would be like just turning us all into robots. I see that it is a good thing. Everyone equal, everyone gets the same start and what they do with it, is up to them. In theory, excellent idea. What makes the world so wonderful is the diversity of it. That there are so many different levels of society. Some people are happy with having the basics, some are happy having more. Some people are unhappy with all of it. I just don't think the world would be the trial it is meant to be if it was like that. What would the point be? People wpuld feel less for their achievements, people wpuldn't have to wrok as hard for things. The system isn't perfect, some people are unfairly off, but it is there for a reason, in my opinion.

Ah..Sally....but at least you are questioning.....so you have some kind of trust forming....you are trusting yourself to find what answers you may search for......you are having an open mind...rather than keeping your blinders firmly attached.I feel we have similar outlooks


Thankyou. I do question alot of things, and that is how I am able to trust myself. That is why I can't follow a religion, because I do only truely trust myself.

....I remember coming to the realisation one day that I was not being me but what I thought others wanted me to be and I had no idea on how to be myself.....I had lost who I was with no idea when this had occurred


I know exactly what you mean. I went the other way though, I tried so hard NOT to be what other people wanted me to be, that I wasn't being true to myself. i am content with the person I am. There are ares I know I need to work on, but half the battle is being aware of them in the first place.

I would rather tread the right path with few than stampede the wrong path with many.


Well said!

Loving this discussion and I hope we keep it going


Ditto! I'm sorry if I waffled today. I am in a waffley kind of mood!
on Sep 13, 2004
Hey Sally...

Straight here...yet again!!

Ok this is where idealist me fights with realist me. I can't agree with this. Even in an ideal world this would be like just turning us all into robots. I see that it is a good thing. Everyone equal, everyone gets the same start and what they do with it, is up to them. In theory, excellent idea.

Okay...I guess I should explain a little further with what I was getting at here....I am quite the idealist...but I definately don't idealise that everyone would be absolutely equal and no one can step out of line and strive for more....So....imagine the world exactly as it is now but one small factor has changed......we ensure everyone has the basic needs of life (food, water, shelter, healthcare)...we look after everyone in these needs...though after that life goes on as it does now....some people will strive for more whether it be materialistic or other and some people will live humbly and value possessions less ......but all will be a valued and accepted part of society....we just don't let people live a struggling painful life without their fundamental needs......does that make more sense...?? We still have a society as diverse as it is now but people care about their fellow man......

I have a very short attention span that I battle with everyday....so if it ever sounds like I've gone off the point or left a large crater in my words....give me a nudge and I'll concentrate a bit harder until it all makes sense!!

I'd love that to be the case, and maybe it could happen. I don't have that much faith in human nature though.

Well.....your blog about smiling...I can relate this to that .......it is true that if you share a smile..it will be shared on....ofcourse there are always hard nuts to crack...but eventually even the harshest face can crack under a smile.......what if there was a smile so big it reached the entire world....and spread and grew and wiped out all the scowls on Earth....ofcourse I'm being metaphoric....but do you see what I mean?

What I do disagree with is people forcing religion on you. People trying to convince you their religion is right. That really gets on my nerves. I don't stand in shopping centres, or knock on peoples doors trying to convince them not to follow a religion, so i don't appreciate people doing it to me! *rant over*

I too disagree with religion being forced on others....though I do understand it is a safety net for those whose coping mechanisms are not as strong as others. We get a lot of religious door knockers around here...well not our house in particular...our two, big, loud dogs keep people from entering the garden...they're actually pussycats and if someone actually came in the gate they would be like little puppies...but first impressions keep people from finding this out!
It's like a 'be one of us' syndrome....if they can convince others to join the ranks than maybe they did make the right choice buy joining themselves...the more people they attract...the stronger their conviction that they were right in their decision....I don't know...not sure how to explain what I'm trying to say...might come back to that one!

have trust issues. Huge trust issues. It sometimes in fear that I will never allow myself to truely love. I am my own person so much, and I just wonder if there isn't enough room for anyone else, but as I said it's a learning curve.

Sally.....your still young....I think it's a good thing that you are your own person so much....though one day you will meet someone and have to trust them if you want to make a life commitment.....but there's no reason to rush into it. It is easier to grow on your own than when in a relationship ....so this is a good time to work out you before you bring another into the equation.
I met my partner when I was eighteen and we were together from that day onwards.....trust didn't enter my mind for the first few years....I was too happy....but then you get a routine and sometimes you question yourself and your partner....and can have niggling insecurities....I got through that very quickly by seeing how much lack of trust can damage a relationship......you have to trust so that you can be yourself and not create a relationship based on possession but of a mutual commitment made by two people who want to be together.....and sometimes relationships don't work and it can hurt but you have to value that experience as it guides you through the next.

I think we could keep this conversation going forever!!
on Sep 14, 2004

Hi, I hope all is well. I would have replied earlier, but I haven’t had the chance.

I think we need a sharp kick to the teeth to knock some sense into us. .

what about instead of a sharp kick to the teeth .......it was something positive......something so big and so positive and hopeful that people stopped and listened and changed their way of thinking on a world scale and made an effort to make a better world for our children


Crusader, what kind of positive event do you have in mind? What do you think could cause such a shift? I think you’ve hit the nail of the head when you said that a “change in the way we think” is the key to changing our world for the better.

I believe that we need a change from within us first, rather than waiting for an external change to happen. A natural way for such a shift to occur would be for humanity to reach a certain threshold of spiritual growth. In my opinion, this spurt of growth will occur relatively soon, and will blossom in an exponential manner. Wishful thinking? More a question of patience and time, I think. And as Sally said, “I think it will get far worse, before it gets better”. (Obviously, this positive shift wouldn’t include the whole human race - just the bulk, like a global consciousness shift, to be more aligned with love.)

I remember times when I was a child, when I looked at everything through innocent eyes. I miss that. I am also glad I am more aware now, because it means I am growing as a person


That’s so true Sally. Although sometimes the ‘mature, adult mind’ can get too complicated and anxious. A child-like heart and spiritual simplicity is a fine quality to adopt, I think, and it’s nice to retain a bit of that.

Oh no ....you said the U word....now this is a question I would love your opinions on.....Where does the universe end? How can it end?


Yes, it’s a fascinating topic that one. What lies at the end of the universe? Where is it expanding to? Why does it exist in the first place? Does the universe have any purpose? ..etc.

I think that we are actually able to answer these questions, at least potentially. I believe that spiritual awareness and intuition will eventually override our intellectual faculties alone, and will enable us to sufficiently determine “the Truth”.

Here’s my view on the matter: The universe doesn’t ‘end’ at all. Rather, in its furthest reaches, the universe’s energy begins to change form in such a way that it eventually merges with the infinite Spirit of God.

What exists at the end of the universe? I believe that the answer is Consciousness - an Infinity of it.

The principle that the universe is surrounded by consciousness can be understood at a smaller scale when we think about our own brain’s consciousness. Just as the cells within our brain are surrounded by the invisible energies of our consciousness, so the universe (and all existent worlds) is surrounded by God’s Consciousness. Another word for consciousness is “spirit”, which is a higher vibrational frequency of energy. Spirit is the ‘essence’ of our self-awareness, which experiences life, and which, in your own particular case right now, is presently reading this blog.

I guess I just don't trust.

Ah..Sally....but at least you are questioning.....so you have some kind of trust forming....you are trusting yourself to find what answers you may search for......you are having an open mind...rather than keeping your blinders firmly attached.


I agree. Trusting ourself is the first step, because if we can trust ourself, then we can no longer say, “I guess I just don't trust”. It’s a bit like loving ourself first. If we can even trust that we can make it through this life by holding on to a little bit of self-love and integrity, then we can begin to trust that there is something worthwhile to life. Other people can’t take away our integrity or self-love, unless we let them.

What made you write a book, what it is you actually do. i feel you need to write an article...


I’m a computer programmer Sally, I work in Hockley, near Birmingham. What about yourself? What do you do?

I don’t know why I wrote a book. It just came out of me naturally really. I’ve been writing it as a hobby for over seven years, and I’ve only just finished it. It’s called ‘Christianity Coming Home’, and it interprets the fundamentals of Christian faith through a deeper, more epic scope. I learned that this vision not only makes sense of Christianity, but also makes sense of our lives.I haven’t talked about these principles in these posts, because I've preferred to describe my broader views. Time and a place, and all that.

In hindsight, I can see that this psychic gift of mine has been put to use in that book. I never intended it to be a proper book - just a way of expression for myself, (a bit like the way songwriters write songs). But after a few years, I realised that it had blossomed into a profound little book. (It's ended up being a little book, because it's been refined and cut down to a simple size.)

I think that Christians have had a hard time over the years, mainly because they’ve been identified primarily with dogma and narrow mindedness. The book stays very close and tight with the fundamentals of Christianity, so hopefully it will enable them to see that their faith actually holds great depth and treasure, and that they can afford to have an open mind without getting scared.

Anyway, I must get off now, because my fish is nearly ready in the oven. Beans, fish, cheese and potatoes tonight. Excellent! Keep in touch, I'll catch you soon,

Andy
on Sep 14, 2004
Heyyy party people. I am half asleep and in a very hyperactive state, and in somewhat of a bad mood, so I pre-warn you my response might be odd to say the lease. Hope you are both doing well, and umm yes...let me carry on...

I am quite the idealist


Yes me too. My front is a realist. I like to come across as all street wise and hard, but on theinside, I just want things to be right. Never going to happen though.

we ensure everyone has the basic needs of life


Didn't the world start off like that and we just messed it up?

I have a very short attention span that I battle with everyday....so if it ever sounds like I've gone off the point or left a large crater in my words....give me a nudge and I'll concentrate a bit harder until it all makes sense!!


I have a poor attention span to, but you make perfect sense, and I love how you view the world

what if there was a smile so big it reached the entire world....and spread and grew and wiped out all the scowls on Earth..


I get exactly what you mean hunny, and if we keep working at it, I think that it will eventually possible. We can't let the scowls win!

It's like a 'be one of us' syndrome....if they can convince others to join the ranks than maybe they did make the right choice buy joining themselves...the more people they attract...the stronger their conviction that they were right in their decision.


Wht can't they just be more comfortable in their own decisions. Why do they think they are right and everyone else is wrong. I have had people look down on my for my ack of religious beliefs, and instead of questioning what my beliefs are they spoke to me as if I was stupid. grr...that is the thing you do if you want a bad reaction from me!

you have to trust so that you can be yourself and not create a relationship based on possession but of a mutual commitment made by two people who want to be together.....and sometimes relationships don't work and it can hurt but you have to value that experience as it guides you through the next


Wise words. I don't know. I am still young and have plenty of time. I just don't think there is alot of hope of me finding that special guy, I have way to much going on, to 'fit' someone in. I may surprise myself though, who knows. Meeting at eighteen, that's so sweet. You got a keeper there huh!

A child-like heart and spiritual simplicity is a fine quality to adopt, I think, and it’s nice to retain a bit of that.


Ahh I have so much of that! I'm just a baby really!

Other people can’t take away our integrity or self-love, unless we let them.


To trust someone though, you give them a piece of you, and if they break that trust, they take it away. That's the way I see things. So I may be leeting them. Is that a weakness on my part?

I’m a computer programmer Sally, I work in Hockley, near Birmingham. What about yourself? What do you do?


Oooh Are you a brummie Andy? I'm in Manchester, as you may know, and I'm a lazy ass student....English Lit...not that you could tell

don’t know why I wrote a book. It just came out of me naturally really. I’ve been writing it as a hobby for over seven years


I'd love to write a book one day, maybe when I have some more wisdom on myside, I will!

I learned that this vision not only makes sense of Christianity, but also makes sense of our lives


Is this a book convincing people of the fundamentals of christianity?

Beans, fish, cheese and potatoes tonight


What an odd mixture, but I hope you enjoy!

Take care all!
on Sep 14, 2004
Hello Andy....How have you been?

Crusader, what kind of positive event do you have in mind? What do you think could cause such a shift? I think you’ve hit the nail of the head when you said that a “change in the way we think” is the key to changing our world for the better.

Actually I am in an embryonic stage of a plan at the moment......but there's so much work to do and sometimes it can be overwhelming ..but everytime I look at my son he gives me the energy to keep going.....And yes, it is about changing the way we think...or reminding people of how they may not realize or have forgotton what is important in life...

I believe that we need a change from within us first, rather than waiting for an external change to happen. A natural way for such a shift to occur would be for humanity to reach a certain threshold of spiritual growth. In my opinion, this spurt of growth will occur relatively soon, and will blossom in an exponential manner.

Yes, I agree it needs to come from within....but a helpful external nudge for a change can help to direct peoples attention onto the right path.....There are so may people who are afraid...lost and in need of guidance.....not everyone is strong enough to break out of the familiar...even if the familiar is a painful existence ...at least they know where they stand....but if they felt no fear toward change because they could see that it was a better way..maybe it will give them the strength to let go.

I think it will get far worse, before it gets better”. (Obviously, this positive shift wouldn’t include the whole human race - just the bulk, like a global consciousness shift, to be more aligned with love.)

I don't think it neccesarily needs to get worse before it gets better......but you are right in saying it wouldn't firstly include the whole human race but once the majority are there .....then perhaps the remainder will follow.

Here’s my view on the matter: The universe doesn’t ‘end’ at all. Rather, in its furthest reaches, the universe’s energy begins to change form in such a way that it eventually merges with the infinite Spirit of God.

What exists at the end of the universe? I believe that the answer is Consciousness - an Infinity of it.

........I still can't get my head around that one....I guess I am thinking too literally......."What goes up must come down"...."What starts must come to and end"....though that is my mind sticking within the boundaries of what we have assumed in life....what I have been taught.

I agree. Trusting ourself is the first step, because if we can trust ourself, then we can no longer say, “I guess I just don't trust”. It’s a bit like loving ourself first. If we can even trust that we can make it through this life by holding on to a little bit of self-love and integrity, then we can begin to trust that there is something worthwhile to life. Other people can’t take away our integrity or self-love, unless we let them.

If I can't trust myself first....trust my judgement ....trust in my faith in myself......trust in others becomes impossible.........."I trust you ...because I trust in my judgement and if I didn't I would never open myself to opportunities of friendship...growth...love....."

I don’t know why I wrote a book.

I think you just answered your own question...

I think that Christians have had a hard time over the years, mainly because they’ve been identified primarily with dogma and narrow mindedness. The book stays very close and tight with the fundamentals of Christianity, so hopefully it will enable them to see that their faith actually holds great depth and treasure, and that they can afford to have an open mind without getting scared.

I'm glad you had time to drop by and I hope you enjoyed your beans, fish, chesse and potatoes!
See you soon, Andy!

Hi Sally !! I am doing rather fine, thankyou!

I am half asleep and in a very hyperactive state

That's quite the oxymoron!
Odd or not your responses are always most interesting!!

Yes me too. My front is a realist. I like to come across as all street wise and hard, but on theinside, I just want things to be right. Never going to happen though.

I am an absolutely see through idealist and simply can't hide it.....my other half is a die hard realist and perhaps that makes us a very good combination. Never say never, Sally....oops I just said never....ok try not to say never....I have to stay positive that a change will come into being...if I didn't ....um....I don't know....I just have faith that it will and that faith gives me the energy to actually work towards .......something..

Didn't the world start off like that and we just messed it up?

Did it..? I think we have been slowing working toward it and are closer now then we have ever been.....I think we have always had our primal survival instinct...'Survival of the fittest'..and all that ....but where we have reached in todays society leaves no room for our primal instinct...I guess some of us just can't let go of somehting that has always been a part of us.

I have a poor attention span to, but you make perfect sense, and I love how you view the world

Ditto...Sally.

I get exactly what you mean hunny, and if we keep working at it, I think that it will eventually possible. We can't let the scowls win!

That's the spirit we all need!! Keep working at it....just because something can seem too hard at times doesn't mean we should give up ...it just means we need to keep at it.....and as has been mentioned previously....it is not only the destination that is important ...but the journey.
The scowls have been winning because the smile seems to be a more difficult path to upheave everyone to .....but once people see that it is not that difficult...it is actually the easier path of the two.....they will take the next exit to smilesville!!
I think the world has dug itself into a big scowl pit and we've gotten so deep that we feel we can't climb out....and no one is looking behind them to see the ladder sitting there in the darkness waiting to be used.

Wht can't they just be more comfortable in their own decisions. Why do they think they are right and everyone else is wrong. I have had people look down on my for my ack of religious beliefs, and instead of questioning what my beliefs are they spoke to me as if I was stupid. grr...that is the thing you do if you want a bad reaction from me!

I think it makes people feel secure in thinking that they are right....and they want others to agree with them because it makes them feel even safer and more secure that they made the right desicion. Whether you are right or wrong their is strength in numbers.
I also have felt the eyes of distaste on my lack of religious beliefs ...yet I listen..am curious to others beliefs and respect their choice in the mattter as I would hope they respect mine.....it is not fair to force anyone...or scare them into believing something they do not feel in themselves already.

Wise words. I don't know. I am still young and have plenty of time. I just don't think there is alot of hope of me finding that special guy, I have way to much going on, to 'fit' someone in. I may surprise myself though, who knows. Meeting at eighteen, that's so sweet. You got a keeper there huh!

You said it there...you have plenty of time...and none of us really need to be with someone else...it's just nice..that's all. Search for something and you may never find it...wait and live and enjoy life and oneday it will fall in your lap.
Yes, I have a keeper....it's almost twelve years now......though it hasn't always been a bed of roses....relationships are difficult ...you just have to know in your heart you want this person in your life and sail your relationship through the storms and the times of calm and bliss.....don't jump ship when there is the first sign of a dark cloud on the horizon.....Although there are times we choose someone for whatever reason and they are not the best choice for you or them...but we stubbornly hang on......sometimes you have to know when to let go.

To trust someone though, you give them a piece of you, and if they break that trust, they take it away. That's the way I see things. So I may be leeting them. Is that a weakness on my part?

That is why you must learn to trust your self first....learn to trust your judgement in other people. There are people who will break your trust....but if you know yourself well it helps you to know others and you make choices with your trust ...you give it to those you feel you can and withhold it from those you feel you can't...It's a little trial and error to begin with but as we learn you soon know instinctively who you can and who you can't trust....but it's still not that black and white...sometimes as you get to know someone and they you ...you learn to trust each other in time where in the beginning you would not have.

Well...i'd best stop here before I use up all the space .....

Sally, Andy....stay happy and healthy and I can't wait to come back and see what you have both written!!



on Sep 16, 2004
To trust someone though, you give them a piece of you, and if they break that trust, they take it away. That's the way I see things. So I may be leeting them.


Sally babe, there’s a deeper part of us that other people can’t take away, in my opinion, and that’s the part I’m talking about. I believe if we establish an ‘inner-foundation’ of security and peace, then we can strive to share our completeness with another, rather than trying to find someone who can make us complete. Idealistic thinking? More a case of growth, I think, or even many lifetimes.

I don't think it neccesarily needs to get worse before it gets better


It just seems to be the natural route to growth. It’s how we learn more, I suppose.

What exists at the end of the universe? I believe that the answer is Consciousness - an Infinity of it.


........I still can't get my head around that one....I guess I am thinking too literally......."What goes up must come down"...."What starts must come to and end"....though that is my mind sticking within the boundaries of what we have assumed in life....what I have been taught.


yes, I agree it’s a strange concept. Consciousness itself is a strange concept, even at the human level. Our scientists have already concluded that quantum physics, at the base-level of existence, is a “strange concept” indeed, inherently so. We shouldn’t be surprised to learn that Ultimate Reality and the Infinite transcends the boundaries of our own finite assumptions. Even though the concept that everything exists only in the Mind of God sounds strange at first, I believe it is indeed “the Truth”.

Is this a book convincing people of the fundamentals of christianity?


No, quite the opposite. It’s for Christians, and I don’t think it would be of interest to non-Christians. I’m a Christian at heart, which is why I can sympathise with them.
I didn’t get round to watching The Passion of Christ, by the way. Something else cropped up, but it’ll be the next film I get from the vid shop. I’m looking forward to seeing that. I personally believe that JC was who He said He was. What other films do you like Crusader? You probably have similar tastes to me. The Shawshak Redemption is one of my faves.

Oooh Are you a brummie Andy? I'm in Manchester, as you may know, and I'm a lazy ass student....English Lit...not that you could tell


Yes, I’m a Brummie. I like Manchester - a hotbed for good bands. Have you lived there all your life? Have you been to B’ham before? It’s okay once you excuse the accent.

Anyway, it's dinner time at work here, so I don't have much time. I'll write a better reply another time,

keep safe all, I'll catch you later,

Andy
on Sep 18, 2004
Hi Sally and Crusader,

Are you waiting for me, or did I just kill the thread? Sorry about that. It’s the reason I usually keep this stuff to myself. It can get too deep and “weird” for normal conversation, and can begin to sound irrelevant. Some things are secret for a reason, I’m sure, and that’s the way it should be.

I feel that my days on JU are numbered to be honest. Sally hun, thanks again for bringing me in. As you’ve probably guessed, there’s a warm spot in my heart for you, and for everyone else on JU too. There’s something stripped about this place, in the sense that you get to see other people’s inner thoughts and views primarily - as opposed to their outer-man like in the real world - which makes a refreshing change, I think.

I look forward to having a nice hug with you in the next world Sally babe, when we can meet heart to heart. That’s if you want one of course. (There I go again, sounding all "weird". But hey, I need to give vent to this stuff somewhere! It's just the way it is from my point of view.)

Keep safe, I’ll catch you soon,

with all my love, Andy x
on Sep 19, 2004
I'm sorry guys! I've really neglected this thread! I haven't being feeling to well, and wasn't able to give it the attentio it deserves, I am still feeling slightly yucky, but I will give it a shot. Hope you're both doing okay!

Never say never, Sally


I try and be as positive as possible, but I seem to have this built in mechanism that makes me do damage control. That I prepare myself mentally for the pain, before it happens. I do go into things with a positive (ish) outlook, but I know all good things have to come to an end, and if I can soften the blow even slightly I will. I just hope preparing myself, doesn't cloud my judgement on the situation!

I think the world has dug itself into a big scowl pit and we've gotten so deep that we feel we can't climb out....and no one is looking behind them to see the ladder sitting there in the darkness waiting to be used.


Ahh, just beautiful hunny. I know what you mean, it is so much easier to laugh and point at nice people, because it is percieved as some kind of weakness. The world is getting messed up. As long as we keep smiling, and spreading the goodness, things should be okay. Sometimes I smile at people, and they look like such hard asses, but seem to find it difficult not to smile back. I think there is goodness in most people if you just scratch the surface.

also have felt the eyes of distaste on my lack of religious beliefs ...yet I listen..am curious to others beliefs and respect their choice in the mattter as I would hope they respect mine.....it is not fair to force anyone...or scare them into believing something they do not feel in themselves already


I totally agree with that. I am curious and willing to learn. I will not be converted though. Sorry, that's just not my style. The scaring thing really pisses me off. You've done so many sins, you're a bad person. Pleaseeeeeeee who the hell are they to judge. You live your life by your rules, and answer to yourself. Eventually people will realise what they do is bad or whatever. They don't need religion for that.

It's a little trial and error to begin with but as we learn you soon know instinctively who you can and who you can't trust....but it's still not that black and white...sometimes as you get to know someone and they you ...you learn to trust each other in time where in the beginning you would not have.


I've come across that. Trust for me takes time and patience. Alot of time to build it, and a silly mistake to break it. I don't forgive easily. I think I need to work on that. I am learning who to trust and who not to trust. I have a nose for liars, hehe!

Thanks for the comments Crusader, you rock chick. Now COMEEEEEE BACKKKKKKKKK Hehe!

I believe if we establish an ‘inner-foundation’ of security and peace, then we can strive to share our completeness with another, rather than trying to find someone who can make us complete.


I get that Andy. I just think if I was with someone and I fully loved them, i would want to give myself to them completely. All of me. That's what would make it so wonderful. There would be parts of me they couldn't touch. There would be parts they could, and no matter what it would hurt like hell if that trust was broken.

The Shawshak Redemption is one of my faves.


I love that film! I'm a sucker for the green mile too!

I like Manchester - a hotbed for good bands. Have you lived there all your life? Have you been to B’ham before? It’s okay once you excuse the accent


Manchester rocks! I was born here and lived here all my life. I love it with a passion. Never been to brummie land, the accent is something else though

did I just kill the thread? Sorry about that. It’s the reason I usually keep this stuff to myself.


Andy, don't be silly! I've just being poorly. I am adoring this conversation, and have so much respect for you, for having the guts to share your inner thoughts. I can't thankyou enough.

I feel that my days on JU are numbered to be honest. Sally hun, thanks again for bringing me in. As you’ve probably guessed, there’s a warm spot in my heart for you


That makes me sad, and I hope you don't go. I love your comments. They are always so insightful. If you do go, I will miss you greatly. Please don't make me beg, hehe!

I look forward to having a nice hug with you in the next world Sally babe, when we can meet heart to heart


Ditto

Take care you two xxx
on Sep 19, 2004
Hello Sally, Andy...

I've been a bit busy lately so I'm sorry for not dropping by earlier...

I had a thought the other night....a hypothetical .....in our state when we are not here on Earth....we don't have bodies...right....So we are all spirit and essence of being.....not physical....So maybe....I was thinking ....that we come here to Earth to...say....feed ...feed on the physical aspect we are without when we are in our spiritual state......and that is part of why we are how we are here.....some people gorge themselves with feeling...pain....physical pleasure....some people feed modestly....others are quite modest but have a few binges here and there......and when we have all had enough we die and return to our spirit world happily fed.....does that make any sense......T'was but a passing thought.....

I feel that my days on JU are numbered to be honest.

Why so...Andy?

Are you waiting for me, or did I just kill the thread? Sorry about that. It’s the reason I usually keep this stuff to myself. It can get too deep and “weird” for normal conversation

Not at all...Andy. This is one of my most favourite subjects so it's nice to get a chance to talk about it with people who are interested too....as you know.. not everyone is.

in the sense that you get to see other people’s inner thoughts and views primarily - as opposed to their outer-man like in the real world - which makes a refreshing change, I think.

Yes....I like that about JU....I think it's a good way to condition people to be accepting of all people because it is not what carries them around that makes the conversation but what is housed within..that which you cannot see.

I'm sorry guys! I've really neglected this thread! I haven't being feeling to well, and wasn't able to give it the attentio it deserves, I am still feeling slightly yucky, but I will give it a shot. Hope you're both doing okay!

No Probs Sally....Hope you are feeling better.....Yeah I'm fine....been awfully busy lately......haven't had much time myself to pop in either....

I try and be as positive as possible, but I seem to have this built in mechanism that makes me do damage control. That I prepare myself mentally for the pain, before it happens. I do go into things with a positive (ish) outlook, but I know all good things have to come to an end, and if I can soften the blow even slightly I will. I just hope preparing myself, doesn't cloud my judgement on the situation!

You just have to be positive...is the way I look at it.....but I also try and trust my instinct...and sometimes you can just feel the dark cloud on the horizon...and then it is good to be mentallly prepared in some way.....the trick is to know what you're going to do in your own mind but don't let it affect your outer world.....don't let it affects those around you....and if your worst scenario unfolds you are ready and confident to ride the waves of the storm.

As long as we keep smiling, and spreading the goodness, things should be okay. Sometimes I smile at people, and they look like such hard asses, but seem to find it difficult not to smile back. I think there is goodness in most people if you just scratch the surface.

I used to allow other peoples emotions to get to me....and man can that get you down....and somewhere along the way I decided to not allow others to affect me in a negative way but that I could turn the tables and 'turn their frown upside down'....and pick them out of their rut......that works quite easily with family and close friends....and even passing people on the street....when myself and my son walk up the street we say 'hello goodmorning' to everyone we pass....and pretty much everyone does the same back and sometimes you can see a small smile and look of surprise on their faces as they expect a stranger to walk on by....really I feel really rude if I just walk past even if I don't know them....it's just being respectful...I think..or polite...I guess....

The scaring thing really pisses me off. You've done so many sins, you're a bad person. Pleaseeeeeeee who the hell are they to judge.

Yeah...I don't like that technique either......Most people are willing to go along with some kind of boundaries ...all in the name of order.....but people are scared...forced...manipulated to be part of something they do not need to follow all in the name of control......which is very closely linked with wealth.....
Do this or you will go to hell....
Don't do this or you will go to hell....
People know the difference between right or wrong.....

I've come across that. Trust for me takes time and patience. Alot of time to build it, and a silly mistake to break it. I don't forgive easily. I think I need to work on that. I am learning who to trust and who not to trust. I have a nose for liars, hehe!

I think forgiving is important....if you can't forgive someone.....you shut a door to them and don't allow them to make ammends for their mistake and only push them closer to their next mistake.....and it is important to forgive others in order for you to be forgiven for your mistakes.....as we all make them!

Thanks for the comments Crusader, you rock chick. Now COMEEEEEE BACKKKKKKKKK Hehe!

Ditto M'Dear.....I've missed our chats these last few days....I'll be back more often..I promise....

Take care...


on Sep 20, 2004
Hi Sally and Crusader,

I’ve just watched the Passion of the Christ, and was just about to write one more post, when I saw that you’ve kept the conversation going. Hooray!!

I feel that my days on JU are numbered to be honest.

Why so...Andy?”


I thought I’d waffled on too much about unworldly things, which had put you right off. I enjoy this conversation so much and love hearing your views, but I’m not used to sharing these inner thoughts and views of mine - except for in the book – and I wouldn’t have been surprised if you said you’d had enough. I also haven’t had a great amount of free time lately, so thought it might be good to call it a day.

I've just being poorly


I hope you’re feeling better Sally babe and haven’t been feeling too bad.

I've been a bit busy lately so I'm sorry for not dropping by earlier...


Me too. It’s good to see you back Crusader!

live your life by your rules, and answer to yourself. Eventually people will realise what they do is bad or whatever. They don't need religion for that. … I think there is goodness in most people if you just scratch the surface


I completely agree Sally. Religion suits some people, but it’s more a matter of taste. Just as some people don’t like sugar in their tea, so do some people not like religion in their life. We don't need it ultimately.

You just have to be positive...is the way I look at it.....but I also try and trust my instinct


Crusader, it’s interesting that you’ve said “instinct” and “positive” in the same sentence. I believe that we all possess an inner compass (a human instinct) that indicates that the purpose of life and our place in the bigger picture is inherently positive. Positive thinking is a powerful tool, and regardless of our external conditions and situations, and also regardless of other people’s opinions, we can succeed or overcome any obstacle or challenge by simply thinking positively.

“Overcome” and "succeed" is itself an attitude, from within this context. For example, imaging going to a job interview. If we learned at the end of the interview that we didn’t get the job, how would we be feeling? Our feelings would depend on our attitudes, and our attitudes are something we have control over - at least more so than our physical conditions. If we didn’t get the job, then would we conclude that our experience was a “failure”, and that we are inadequate and lousy with little self-worth? Or would we perceive it as a worthy experience which adds to our personal development and learning in life, and that we can apply for another job at another time?

A positive attitude is the key, and I believe that positive thinking aligns our perception of life with ‘What Is So’ in the greater scheme of things.

I used to allow other peoples emotions to get to me....and man can that get you down....and somewhere along the way I decided to not allow others to affect me in a negative way but that I could turn the tables and 'turn their frown upside down'....and pick them out of their rut


I agree Crusader. I think it takes a lot of inner strength not to get caught up in ‘social weather’, but rather to allow the good weather to shine from within us – regardless of whether its raining ‘out there’ or not. If we are positive and loving within ourselves, then as a general law, positivity and goodness will be drawn to us. Not always, of course. But when it doesn’t, there’s a reason for that, and I believe that that’s when we need to exercise inner muscle in order to keep on top of things.

I just think if I was with someone and I fully loved them, i would want to give myself to them completely. All of me. That's what would make it so wonderful. There would be parts of me they couldn't touch. There would be parts they could, and no matter what it would hurt like hell if that trust was broken.


That’s right Sally, it would hurt, naturally so. Pain is necessary for growth to occur, although I personally believe that it is within the human potential to reach a stage of spiritual development whereby things such as relationships can no longer hurt us. Maybe in a few lifetimes’ time, for most of us.

I had a thought the other night....a hypothetical .....in our state when we are not here on Earth....we don't have bodies...right....So we are all spirit and essence of being.....not physical....So maybe....I was thinking ....that we come here to Earth to...say....feed ...feed on the physical aspect we are without when we are in our spiritual state


That’s such a profound insight Crusader, and I completely agree - except for the bit about not having bodies in the hereafter. I believe that we do – only they’re made of different ‘stuff’ from our earthly bodies. It’s a whole proper life that we lead on the Other Side, and I don’t believe that we float around in a disembodied state. Your points about “feeding on” physical conditions on earth are profound. Our lives on earth indeed provide deep spiritual nutrients for the soul, and without wanting to sound too 'religious', I believe that when Adam and Eve chose to feed on the fruits from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were driven out of Paradise to do exactly that! (There’s logic in there if you seek it.)

“Manchester rocks! I was born here and lived here all my life. I love it with a passion. Never been to brummie land, the accent is something else though”


Yes, Manchester is a kicking place, it’s renowned for being cool – unlike Birmingham. I have a black-country accent, which is different to the brummie accent, but it’s pretty grim nonetheless. Frank Skinner is from my neck of the woods, and apparently I sound just like him, so that should give you a bearing. I don’t look like him, mind, fortunately.

“we watched 'The Passion of the Christ' the other night....ofcourse I had tears streaming down my face through pretty much the whole thing....The pain and torture Jesus suffered by these barbaric people.....for speaking his words”


Crusader, I’ve had a day off work holiday today, and it was a good opportunity to watch that film. What a powerful movie it is! It’s a bit over the top with the blood and gore, in my opinion, but the depth of the story makes up for that. When you said tears streamed down your face as you watched it, I thought, “Get a grip, it can’t be that moving!” I’ve never cried at a movie in my life - until today. I cried lots, and I couldn’t help it. (What a wimp!) The powerful music adds to it, too, I thought.

My favourite moments and some parts which made me cry:

(1) As Jesus was nailed to the cross, He had the strength of heart to say, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” It also flashed back to his teaching the crowds: “Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who ill-treat you.”

(2) JC said to the criminal hanging beside him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise”

(3) “Are you a king?”, asked Pilate. “My Kingdom is not of this world!” answered Jesus. (How cool is that!)

(4) JC's face - clean and radiant - after His resurrection. (We’ll be joining Him soon. This life lark is so exciting, don't you think?)

Anyway, it’s good to chat with you again. I’ll catch you soon. I can’t promise to reply promptly, but I will do so as soon as I get the chance,

Stay safe, and keep smiling!

Andy
on Sep 20, 2004
I have a black-country accent


I've just re-read that, and no, I'm not black. "Blackcountry" is a traditional name for the old coal mining and industry areas in the West Midlands, (just in case you wondered.)
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