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Whilst listening to the radio a while ago, a lady phoned in and said she had discovered her boyfriend was cheating on her, and had kicked him out. Nothing really odd there is there. I mean people cheat everyday. We know it's so easy to do, and love and trust doesn't seem to weigh very highly when it comes to todays couple. However, this ladies story got stranger. Her boyfriend went off to the pub with his friends, and she went to do some work on the pc they shared. She discovered his archive of messages from MSN and proceeded to read them. There she discovered messages between him and a mystery lady. Rude messages. Messages of a sexual nature. Now this man had never met this lady, and it was strictly an internet thing. She didn't even think they had any intentions of meeting. Yet she classed this as cheating. Phoned him up at the pub where he was with his friends, and immediately finished with him.

Now the debate on the radio started. Does that count as cheating? Well it depends on the person doesn't it. If this man was getting close to someone, and forming an emotional bond with someone that is not his girlfriend, I can understand the partner being upset, but can it be classed as cheating? Or is it only cheating once there has being physical contact? Technically I don't consider it to be cheating. However, if I had a partner that I found was doing that, I would consider there to be something wrong with the relationship, and try to work it out so he didn't have to do that, or finish the relationship. She also broke his trust by reading his messages, even though she found something, that doesn't make it okay for her breaking his trust.

It's difficult with internet friendships, or whatever you decide to class them as. Because you are a faceless person at one end of a phoneline. You could be anyone, and you can pretend to be anyone. You can also tell your deepest darkest secrets, and still remain faceless. There is something easier about telling a stranger personal things, because they can't judge you. They don't really matter to you, so you can gain insight without really caring about their opinion. So this has to be considered when wondering if that kind of emotional bond is cheating.

I think I would have reacted in a similar way to this girl. Though I think discussing it is the key. At least this guy isn't out somewhere getting it off with some girl. Or maybe in fact it is worse that he is actually talking to someone, and telling them private things. Building a bond with them. It's a difficult question. Did she do the right things? Is forming an emotional bond with someone worse than physically cheating?

Comments
on Sep 25, 2004
I think in a dating relationship it is not neccessarily cheating. Dating is a casual commitment and for many people is the process of searching for a suitable spouse. What he did was undesirable, to be sure, and the g/f has every right to end the relationship over it if she wishes. However, since they were only dating, it's not that huge of a deal.

I think in a marriage, however, it is a whole different thing. In a marriage it could be considered an "emotional affair." If the husband and wife had agreed beforehand that such behavior was OK in their marriage, then fine, but if the husband (or wife for that matter) is sharing himself emotionally with another women and hiding it, he is cheating on his wife. That does not mean that she must divorce him, but it is a warning sign that things are not right in their relationship. She can either give the online relationship a stamp of approval and let it go, condemn the online relationship and choose to work on the underlying problems in the marriage, or she can choose to be done with him.

My husband and I personally view marriage as a lifelong commitment that should not be broken, and so my husband and I would work through it and figure out what need of his was being filled with the online relationship and find a way to fulfill that need within our relationship instead. This would not work for everyone. Some people do things like this because they are not committed to the relationship and are "cheaters" at heart. Someone who is a cheater at heart is only going to cause continual heartbreak for his or her spouse because of his or her compulsion.

I have many thoughts on this, but I could ramble forever on them, so I will quit for now. Excellent post, Sally. I think this is a very interesting topic.
on Sep 26, 2004
Very good blog.
It is a circumstancial. I think cheating is doing something you would not want your significant other to catch you doing or doing something you can't tell your significant other you have done . But that's me. It is so strange to hear other peoples logic. I once had a friend in college who said if they are in a different city when it happens it does not count. Boys, go figure. Hee Hee.
on Sep 26, 2004
Great perspective. The way that I view it is that he was cheating on her. Even though it wasn't physically cheating with another woman face to face, he was still thinking it and just as well could have been meeting with other women and acting on it. I say, if you commit adultery in your heart, then its just the same as physically commiting it. Even online, you are playing with someone's emotions, and commiting time "talking" or whatever it was this guy was doing, with another person other than a lady that he had an exclusive relationship with. If I had a significant other, haha, and I discovered somehow, either through her friends or somehow on a computer that she had been talking dirty and being beyond friendly with other guys, it would really be hard, but I'd definately end it. Being the sucker I am, I probably would end up giving her a second chance though if she came back.
on Sep 26, 2004
Hey, Sally, by the way, I just noticed that you have posted on my friend's site, forthesakeofnoname. He's the one that told me about JU. Well I am looking forward to your future postings.
on Sep 26, 2004
Sally, thats why i always hide things in my computer. Where no one will find them.
on Sep 27, 2004
Is it cheating or not depends on how You look on the relationship.

If Your relationship is purely emotional, You mightn't consider sex with another person cheating but if Your relationship is purely physichal (what Texas Whine calls 'dating'), you may ignore your partner having telephone sex, writing love letters or having an Internet affair. Most people have 'mixed' relationships so any kind of personal space sharing (physical or not) would be considered cheating.

In my experience, men are much more likely to physically cheat on their partners and not consider it worth breaking a relationship. It's more like going to a full body massage.
Women, on the other hand, share a lot with their (usualy girl)friends and don't consider it being inapropriate - even though they share a greater part of their emotions with sombody other than their partner.
on Sep 27, 2004
My husband and I personally view marriage as a lifelong commitment that should not be broken, and so my husband and I would work through it and figure out what need of his was being filled with the online relationship and find a way to fulfill that need within our relationship instead


Texas you are completely right there is a difference between being married an not. I think more people need to look at it like that. To work through things, and take it for the life long commitment that it is.

I once had a friend in college who said if they are in a different city when it happens it does not count. Boys, go figure. Hee Hee.


Ha I've heard that one too. If it's out of area code it doesn't count! Please! Typical men!

Even online, you are playing with someone's emotions, and commiting time "talking" or whatever it was this guy was doing, with another person other than a lady that he had an exclusive relationship with.


I guess that is classed as cheating in a sense. It depends what he gets out of it. I'm sure you're not a sucker

Sally, thats why i always hide things in my computer. Where no one will find them.


Honesty is the best policy huh Marvin

Most people have 'mixed' relationships so any kind of personal space sharing (physical or not) would be considered cheating.


Well a good relationship should have a mixture of it all. If you're going elsewhere for just one element of that then there are areas of your relationship that need attention. Or it needs to be ended.

Thanks for all your comments you guys rock!
on Sep 27, 2004

Sally, thats why i always hide things in my computer. Where no one will find them.


Yeah, Marvin...nothing like a little hypocrisy and duplicity to fuel a relationship. Wouldn't want the wife to find out you share kiddie porn on the net, now, would we?

on Sep 27, 2004
GIDEON!!! WHAT ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF NOW? I'm a mature adult. Why would I want children?