"Conversation should be pleasant without scurrility, witty without affectation, free without indecency, learned without conceitedness, novel without falsehood."
whatever they are....
Published on September 8, 2004 By Sally jacobs In Blogging
Ok, well it's reached the point where I've had enough of this whole situation, I have bit my tongue for long enough. Now is the time to be open and honest. I shall do the usual disclaimers that these articles appear to have, if you don't like this kind of thing, blah, blah, then leave now and whatever else. As people have pointed out before, your blog is your home, where you are free to write whatever you please. At other peoples houses you remain respectful, and polite, which I do, so I expect the same courtesy here. You may not agree with me, fair enough, I am open to debate. I am not open to arguments though, which it seems this situation is, just one long argument. I won't be naming names here, or anything like that, I will simply say, this article is inspired by a situation that is taking centre stage here at JU at the moment.

JU is a community. A community where people from all different backgrounds, walks of life, come together, share experiences, points of view, outlooks on life. For the most part these differences are embraced, and learned from. On occasion, people find it impossible to see eye to eye, and simply agree to disagree, on even fewer occasions these disagreements turn into full blown arguments, and spread like a disease from one thread to another. I ask you what is the point. You don't like what someone says, you blacklist them, that's what it is there for, surely? You don't like a fellow blogger, blacklist them, and move on. The moving on part is very important, it appears some people have a problem with that. I understand we are not going to all agree, all of the time. That is the way life is, but somewhere like this, we can walk away, we don't have to mix with them people.

If it makes you feel better about it, write an article about it. That's what your home is for, to write your feelings. However when they become personal attacks, that are not only played out on the thread in question, but dragged to other threads, I think a line has to be drawn. It is ruining the blogging experience for other people, and dragging out an episode that should have been over a long time ago. I'm not saying anyone is wrong, and I'm not saying peoples feelings are insignificant. I'm saying hate, breeds hate. Some people think a member of this community is full of hate, and think that it is ok to wirte articles filled with hate about them, in my opinion that makes you just as bad as them.

I don't know how this article will be percieved, and If I'm honest I don't really care. I love this community, and the majority of the people in it, are wicked, lovely people. Some I don't agree with, some I do. i treat everyone with the same respect. If people put as much effort into their writing as they do into arguing, over things we all know people are not going to agree on, it would make JU an even better place.

I know that I am not going to change peoples minds or opinions. I know that they have strong beliefs. I just think things have gone a step to far. Maybe it's just me, I don't know, but I am certainly feeling it. Picking someone out, and repeatedly making digs at them, and repeatedly picking to bits what they say, gets boring. You made your point, enough already.

I'm sorry folks, I had to say it, let the fun begin.....

Comments
on Sep 08, 2004
I Love You Sally

You get my insightful!
on Sep 08, 2004
You don't like a fellow blogger, blacklist them, and move on. The moving on part is very important, it appears some people have a problem with that.


Very true. Hence my idea that any post about "I've been blacklisted!" should be summarily deleted by the admins as soon as it's discovered.
on Sep 08, 2004
so, he took it out of JU...he was still running his mouth over something i had let drop.


If you wanted to let it drop - why visit Peteys site? You thrive on conflict LW - you cannot possibly deny it... heck, your sexual fantasies revolve around conflict... you were just looking for more ammo...

I've not played the vicitm card at all here... I can take anything you through at me in regards to my arguments or points - feel free to attack them, I am warning you just once though, lay of the personal attacks... I am not Osama Jr. - You will reap what you sew.

BAM!!!
on Sep 08, 2004
Sally I'd give you an insightful but I'm afraid I might've used up my quota of ratings for today....

LW: You're right: if you don't like a site, don't visit it. That includes SPM, which, by the by, and as you have pointed out, is not JU. Why are you dragging that fight over here? Fight it over there or drop it.

Mugguz is not a bigot. And if you want a Muggaz appreciation thread, I think there was a good one going on your last article that you are evidently too blind to see. I'm not sure how name-calling and flaming is helping your case and frankly, lady, you need to get over it. So what if Muggaz "took it out of JU" on a thread on a different site? I don't know of a lot of people who take SPM very seriously and I don't know why you should, either. FWIW, blacklisting someone and then taunting them to respond, and then taunting them FOR responding (on his own thread since he can't respond to yours) is called "hypocrisy."

There, I've stopped biting my tongue and said it. Which is crappy because now I'm going to get labeled as "someone who sides with Muggaz" and my opinion will be discounted on other threads of those who oppose him. But this is important to me, because Muggaz brings up new and good ideas from time to time. I applaud him for getting his mind out of a box.

-A.
on Sep 08, 2004
Hmm. Muggaz and I were writing at the same time.
on Sep 08, 2004
There, I've stopped biting my tongue and said it. Which is crappy because now I'm going to get labeled as "someone who sides with Muggaz" and my opinion will be discounted on other threads of those who oppose him


I can't do anything but apologise for that my friend... I hate the fact that there is now such a thing as the Muggaz Stigma... but I hate even more that I am being reffered to as Osama Jr.

I cannot express my sentiments of appreciation enough... I am stung by these constant attacks, but humbled with the support people have given me...

Thanks again my friends

BAM!!!
on Sep 09, 2004
And if these things are "ruining" ju for you, i have one suggestion....dont visit my blogs. Blacklist me and advise him to do the same. Advise him to keep my name out of his mouth on other blog sites. Then you wont have to worry about anyone victimizing your favorite bigots, Muggz and Petey


LW, I am fully aware that I don't have to read your blog, I read the disclaimers at the beginning, so i don't have a problem with that at all. You are right, and I have already advised Mugz to blacklist you, as it appears to be a no win situation. As far as I know Mugz has not mentioned your name in articles. He hasn't used your name, and then claimed to blacklist you either. I also think you're a great writer, and I don't want to blacklist you, you have some insightful things to say, and just because we don't agree on this topic, I am able to get passed that. I hope you are too.


Very true. Hence my idea that any post about "I've been blacklisted!" should be summarily deleted by the admins as soon as it's discovered.


Yep as should these flame threads in my opinion.

I Love You Sally


Love you too sweety, and thanks

I can take anything you through at me in regards to my arguments or points - feel free to attack them, I am warning you just once though, lay of the personal attacks


I have to agree there. Argue his opinions, and points of view, but the personal attacks are taking it to far.

Angloesque, I agree with everything you said, and you get my insightful.

Thanks for the comments guys xxx

on Sep 09, 2004
heck, your sexual fantasies revolve around conflict...


Hmm....
on Sep 09, 2004
You told me you loved me
Why did you leave me, all alone
Now you tell me you need me
When you call me, on the phone
Girl I refuse, you must have me confused
With some other guy
Your bridges were burned, and now it's your turn
To cry, cry me a river
Cry me a river-er
Cry me a river
Cry me a river-er, yea yea


Love your work Sal
on Sep 09, 2004
(all three....what a fan club)...


Three of my friends who aren't daft enough to think I am playing admin.

You have to be joking right... I am glad I am ignorant about BDSM... it's freaken sick, it represents a form of emotional disturbance in my opinon, and the shoe certainly fits.

You know what the difference is? you actually were in the KKK!!! I haven't received my al-Quada membership card and 'how to live in a cave' manual in the mail yet, but as Osama Jr. I hope I am privy to his family fortune... I might purchase you something for pointing out the relationship - you deserve it.

Take Justin Timberlake and the Cassman's advice.... and cry me a river, then build a bridge, and get over it.

BAM!!!
on Sep 09, 2004

the Muggaz Stigma


i was reading this and i suddenly realized i there were holes in my hands, feet and chest from which blood was oozing.   i think ive got the muggaz stigmata!!   

on Sep 09, 2004
I was trying to avoid all the conflict, steering clear of those articles where I didn't care for the attitude, as was suggested. But while trying to read a very funny article about a picture on a real estate site there was the hate all up in my face again.

So I would have to agree that perhaps those who are having an issue take a deep breath and relax. This is just the internet afterall. Not the end-all be-all of life. I hope.

PS: If it had been my blog I would have deleted that comment, if only for the comfort of my readers.

on Sep 09, 2004
Love your work Sal


Love your singing Cass

i suddenly realized i there were holes in my hands, feet and chest from which blood was oozing. i think ive got the muggaz stigmata!!


..I think it's going around, I wouldn't worry

I was trying to avoid all the conflict, steering clear of those articles where I didn't care for the attitude, as was suggested. But while trying to read a very funny article about a picture on a real estate site there was the hate all up in my face again.


Yeah I agree with that comment. Some people don't want to see that kind of thing, and I don't blame them.

Thanks for the comments guys xxx
on Sep 10, 2004
Very well put Sally

There is a huge difference between debating and arguing. I am aware of the specific incident that you, (are not) referring to.
Very diplomatic on your part. Good job.

To argue over each line in particular Post is a waste of time and it has a tendency to become personal. Getting personal has no place, when debating.

I also agree with you, that your forum is your house.
"You are all invited, but don't come in and take a dump on my carpet."

Take care and we'll share some words soon.
on Sep 11, 2004
Getting personal has no place, when debating.


There is a fine line, between attacking the argument, and attacking the person, and when things become personal it has gone to far. People are just passionate, I understand that. Thankyou for the comment, and I'm sure are paths will cross sometime soon