"Conversation should be pleasant without scurrility, witty without affectation, free without indecency, learned without conceitedness, novel without falsehood."
Love is all about balance. Getting things just right. Give and take between two people. Balance of trust. Balance of physical attraction. Just an all round good feel. I was talking to my friends bf today. Nice boy. The word 'boy' is key here. I actually like him. I think he cares about my friend, and has genuine good intentions towards her. For that, in my book he is a good guy. However, I am guilty of sometimes pushing my opinions down other peoples throats, and just jumping all over them, and basically getting over excited. It's something I am working on, but I still mess up every now and then. We was discussing the future. If one day he would like to get married, what he thought the right age was, just general conversation. Then he made a comment, that just really got me. He told me, that if the woman he was with gained weight after they were together for a while, he would most likely have to finish with her because he would be no longer attracted to her. What the hell??? Maybe this is just me, because my friend thought this was perfectly reasonable and didn't seem to have a problem with it. You have to have physical attraction in a relationship, don't you?

Well yes, that goes without saying. Relationships are based on so much more than that though. What is she going to do? Watch everything she eats, just incase she adds a few pounds and is no longer physically attractive to him. To me that kind of comment is just ridiculous, and shows him for the little boy he is. What about when she has children? Is she allowed to gain weight then? Or is that a big NO? He should love her for who she is. The person who he lies in bed with, and talks to until he falls asleep. The person he trusts more than anyone. The person he wants to make smile. The person who he wants to protect. He should love her for who she is. Granted if she became huge, and needed assistance getting her fat ass off the bed, I can see where he was coming from. Then it might be an issue, but gaining a few extra pounds? Is that a reason to finish someone?

He and I were discussing how when women get older, they generally gain weight. Which isn't always the case. My Mum is super slim, and is almost the same size as she was when she was my age. So that doesn't always happen. However, generally speaking, women do gain a little weight. He just thinks that is well out of order. In his eyes, that is just a woman letting herself go. No longer having respect for herself, or the partner she is with. At this point I just wanted to shake him. Maybe it is just me. Maybe I just don't see it. I have to say at this point I did get a little annoyed with him. I tried to point out, that sometimes these things just happen. They just creep up on you. This is when we got his most priceless comment of the whole conversation, and really showed me I was fighting a losing battle. He informed me that women who get older, and gain weight, obviously plan to do so. They pencil it in the calender. This month I am going to get fat! What fun! How I will feel wonderful about myself. Grrr....stupid boy! He told me he just couldn't be with a woman who just didn't respect herself to stay slim. That's when I made a decision, if this is what bfs are like, I don't want one. Pass me my chocolate ice-cream instead!

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on Jul 05, 2006

You make me giggle Doc!

That is high praise.  Thank you.

on Jul 05, 2006
But you hunny, shouldnt worry about being with such a jackass, lol! You have a great super fun personality. Whoever finds you will never want to leave you


Amen, Emilia! Sally is a great catch, now if those silly English boys would open up their eyes . . .

Love ya, Sally!
on Jul 05, 2006

Reply By: San Chonino

If only I had a sister for you!

on Jul 05, 2006
Physical attraction is part of marriage as well. We don't have a lot of control over what we're physically attracted. If ones wife lets her self go and gains a lot of weight, the result may be a simple matter of loss of physical attraction. Each person has their own threshold on when someone is no longer attractive. On the flip side, I've seen plenty of women end up leaving their husbands for finanical reasons (i.e. where the man would squander their money depleting their savings on frivelous things). Should a woman be tied to a man who keeps them on the edge of poverty?The problem with marriage is the idea that it should be tied together by principle rather than mutual self-interest. The moment one party begins to take that for granted and believe that the other is tied to them because of marriage vows is the minute the marriage is heading for an untimely end.


Agree,
Lately my wife of 7 years now is laying into the ice Cream night after night, and guess what, she is now sporting a belly.
It does not change my affection for her, but there is a limit to what a husband can still find attractive, and gladly mine has not been reached yet.

It is out of my control if she continues to plump up, it is her choice.
I find the best tactic is to keep yourself in shape and give the woman the support and room to do so also if she chooses.
But wives do have to remember there are **no guarantees** that their husband will have the same feelings if the choose to plump up.

Sally, you do have nice articles that fire people up!
Keep it up
on Jul 05, 2006
My husband has promised to let me know if my size becomes an issue with him. So far so good, and my weight has fluctuated quite a bit throughout our marriage.

I'm my largest ever right now at a size 14 (can you believe I said that out-loud, hehe), and I've gotten NO complaints from my man! I imagine he wouldn't have been nearly as attracted to me had I been this size when we met at age 16/17, though.

I think our standards for attraction loosen somewhat with age, life experience, and comfort with/love for our spouses. There are limits, of course, to what can be accepted as attractive, but that's very much a personal preference thing that differs from person to person.

Young guys are likely to go for thin, toned girls. Lucky for them, young girls are typically thin and toned! Older guys are far more accepting of thigh jiggle and tummy pudge, even in a new relationship.

Reality tends to wear down our high expectations. Hahahaa.

PS - Who CHOOSES to "plump up"?
on Jul 05, 2006

PS - Who CHOOSES to "plump up"?

People choose not to put effort into trying to look good.  I choose to try to keep some remote semblance of being in shape. In the sense that I don't just eat whatever I want and I try to excercise. I do that for myself but also for my wife since I want to look good for her or at least as close as I can look to good.

on Jul 05, 2006
People choose not to put effort into trying to look good. I choose to try to keep some remote semblance of being in shape. In the sense that I don't just eat whatever I want and I try to excercise. I do that for myself but also for my wife since I want to look good for her or at least as close as I can look to good.


I'm just wondering who all these people are who don't care at all about how they look? I'm pretty low maintenance and not too fussy about appearance, but I do try to keep some reign on how fat, slovenly, or otherwise yucky I allow myself to get.

I want to look nice to my husband, but also I want to fit into clothes I like. Haha. That's a primary motivating factor for me.

I really just wonder who these women are who just decide, "Screw it" and become obese. I mean, most women I know fight it and sincerely try, even if they can't manage to stay a size 6.
on Jul 05, 2006
Nitro:

Shallow or not at least the guy was up-front and made his intentions known.


I agree. He is honest at least with how he feels. And my friend is perfectly alright with that, so good luck to them. I do think that his opinions will change. It's good to know what you want though!

Doc:

That is high praise. Thank you.


You are more than welcome

Charlie Chonino:

Amen, Emilia! Sally is a great catch, now if those silly English boys would open up their eyes . .


Aww love ya too babe! I'm blushing now, you sweetie! Maybe it will take someone visiting England....the boys here are just to silly!

Texas:

I'm my largest ever right now at a size 14 (can you believe I said that out-loud, hehe), and I've gotten NO complaints from my man! I imagine he wouldn't have been nearly as attracted to me had I been this size when we met at age 16/17, though.


Texas you are beautiful, he would be crazy to say such a thing to you!

I think our standards for attraction loosen somewhat with age, life experience, and comfort with/love for our spouses. There are limits, of course, to what can be accepted as attractive, but that's very much a personal preference thing that differs from person to person.


I agree this is something typical of younger men, and like you said most young girls are slim, so they come to expect it. As they get older hopefully they will realise there is much more to it.

PS - Who CHOOSES to "plump up"?


Exactly!

SushiK:

Lately my wife of 7 years now is laying into the ice Cream night after night, and guess what, she is now sporting a belly.It does not change my affection for her, but there is a limit to what a husband can still find attractive, and gladly mine has not been reached yet.


Have you told her your feelings on this? I think in small doses it's alright, it's when it becomes all she does that you have to worry. I wonder if there is a reason for it?

Sally, you do have nice articles that fire people up!Keep it up


Thank you, that's very nice of you to say

Brad:

People choose not to put effort into trying to look good. I choose to try to keep some remote semblance of being in shape. In the sense that I don't just eat whatever I want and I try to excercise. I do that for myself but also for my wife since I want to look good for her or at least as close as I can look to good.


I agree people should take pride in their appearance, and most of all do what makes them feel happy. I am sure many people who are plump don't feel happy with this. People should do whatever they can so they are confident, and content, before they even consider anyone else.

Thanks for the comments x

on Jul 05, 2006
I really just wonder who these women are who just decide, "Screw it" and become obese. I mean, most women I know fight it and sincerely try, even if they can't manage to stay a size 6.


I personally don't think women choose to do that. I think most likely a battle they fight with themselves on a daily basis. I don't know though. I can only judge it from my perspective, and I know that if I was in that position, I would do what it takes to get back in shape. For some people I am guessing that it's more difficult to do that. I don't believe it is a decision people make.
on Jul 06, 2006
Gaining weight is the accumulation of decisions to eat more than one is burning off through exercise/metabolism. For some, being fat is a decision without consideration or a sense of responsibility for the end result.

Whether or not it's a deal breaker depends on what each married the other for. For example, if the husband knew that marrying his wife would mean meeting her lofty lifestyle then he'd be foolish to think that she'd be OK with him switching to a less lucrative career.

What the ideals of marriage are and why we actually marry may be very different things.
on Jul 06, 2006
Gaining weight is the accumulation of decisions to eat more than one is burning off through exercise/metabolism. For some, being fat is a decision without consideration or a sense of responsibility for the end result.


I do think that people do that, but I also think they reach a point where they want to change it, and some find that more difficult than others. It is something that can creep on you I guess.

For example, if the husband knew that marrying his wife would mean meeting her lofty lifestyle then he'd be foolish to think that she'd be OK with him switching to a less lucrative career.


Like you said, it's about why you married and what you get out of it. I personally think if I was with a man, and he felt that he could no longer be with me because I'd gained weight, I'd happily pack his bags for him .

Thanks for the comment x
on Jul 07, 2006
When my parents got married my Dad told my Mom that if she ever weighed more than him he'd divorce her.

I'm not sure my mom remembered him saying this but he's lived his life regretting it. I only found out about this a few years ago when my Dad had a heart attack. He said he always ate alot because he always wanted to weigh more than her. They got fat together.

But they've been married for over 40 years and I can't see them divorced for any reason. It was just a stupid young man's remark. Men do change and a lot of them get fat too!

on Sep 07, 2006
don't be offended ladies. just raise the bar for yourself, as well. fine and dandy, as i plan on taking care of my appearance long term, for my OWN self esteem not to keep some man in my life. if the man i'm with happens to grows lazy, develop a beer gut and "lets themselves go", i'm moving on to greener pastures myself. the attitude this boy has is perfectly capable of working both ways and honestly i think men should be more worried than women, as most of the women i know in their senior years are healthier, slimmer and more energetic than their male counterparts.
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