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I still love him though :)
Published on May 29, 2006 By Sally jacobs In Misc
I sometimes wonder how my sisters and I turned out so well adjusted (well two out of three isn't bad).

My Dad is a lovely man. I completely adore him. However, some of his views leave me wanting to bang my head against a brickwall, and any attempt made on my part to discuss these views with him, usually leave me feeling like I have banged my head against a brickwall. Since I was at school, I have read books, and learned alot of things. This means I have really strong and opinions on things and I am always up for a good debate about such issues. Fortunately for me my Dad isn't one to back down and has always given me a good argument about things. My Dad is racist and homophobic. These two things have dictated many of our major disagreements over the years. Now my Dad doesn't HATE. He just has ideas about these people in his head and whatever you say to him he will not shake them. I know that most of it is a generation thing, and his generation is just very different to mine, and accepting of different things.

Our first major argument about race was when I was still at school. My dad doesn't have a problem generally with people who have a different colour skin. Though he does believe in many of the stereotypes that portray them. My Dads biggest issue was that people with different colour skin shouldn't mix. He believed that you should stick to your own. A belief that many people share with him. He doesn't think the mixture of cultures is right, and he just we should all live separate lives. This is something that I have fought with him about for many years. I think much of his argument was to get a reaction out of me, which it did. It was something I disagreed strongly with. I just thought it was small minded on his part. Not taking the time to get to know someone and automatacally believing the stereotypes. All them years ago I remember questioning him about what would happen if I had a mixed relationship, and god forbid, brought a mixed raced child into the world, and informed me that I would be disowned, and he would want nothing to do with me.

A good few years after that conversation, my sister got pregnant. Her baby would be mixed race, and her partner was from Jamaica. She was really worried about telling my parents, and broke it to my Mum first. Who at first was shocked. My sister presumed that my Mum would approach my Dad about it and break the news to him. So she never actually discussed it with him. This upset my Dad because he felt she had left him out and not really had the decency to tell him herself. So he was a little funny with her for a while. My sister presumed this was due to the race of the baby, and the misunderstanding continued for a good few months. My Dad however, couldn't of cared less about the race of his first Grandchild. From the moment he set eyes on her he was in love, and not once did he see the colour of her skin. My sisters partner also gets on extremely well with my Dad, and there is no issues about colours of skin. Basically because my Dad just doesn't see it. To him they are family, and no different to the rest of us. Now though this is a good thing, I wish I could say this has completely changed his views. It hasn't though. Sometimes you still catch sight of the stereotypes that he has in his head. At least he is improving though.

A more recent case of this was when my neighbour was selling their house. A gay couple moved in. Something that bothered my Dad considerably. He didn't want people like 'that' near his family. They were unnatural, and just wrong in his eyes. Now at the time me and my Dad again went head to head on the issue, and my sister also told him she thought he was wrong. He wouldn't listen though. He was completely disgusted people like them could live so closely to him. He really felt strongly about it. Or so I thought. About a week ago I caught my Dad chatting happily to these neighbours he hated so much. He was laughing and smiling, and completely nice to them. When I questioned my Dad about this, he still turned his nose up at their sexual preference, but he said they were nice blokes, and he didn't actually have a problem with them. Amazing.

It is funny how much peoples prejudices can actually change when they come face to face with what they had the issue with in the first place. That they have to actually get to know the person behind the stereotype, and realise that they aren't much different to themselves. It is so easy for us all to judge people on how they are percieved by the media, by other people, by stereotypes, that we forget there is a real actual person behind it. That if we actually spent some time getting to know them we might actually like what we see. Though many of my Dads views haven't changed, and the core of what he disliked remains the same. I am happy to see that he can connect with people on a basic human level without judging them and not giving them a chance.

Maybe that's the reason my sisters and I turned out so well adjusted.

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on May 31, 2006
He is racist though. He has an issue with people who have a different colour skin. He judges


Racism implies more than merely color fixation. It is an ideology of power and domination. Being of the view the Whites and different from other peoples may be a sign of ethnocentrism but not racism. Unless power and domination are involved by which one group justifies its social supremacy with reference to race, one cannot label racist.
on May 31, 2006
It is somewhat human nature to categorize people, especially ones we don't know.

And I don't think it is crazy to categorize a group of people by color (ie Negros, then blacks, then African Americans). Any more than it is to do it by a group's behavior.

Your dad doesn't think races should mix. But when actually confronted with a mixed race child, what does he do? He loves it to pieces. Hmmmmm.

So he had some preconceived ideas. Who doesn't?

Sally you categorize your own dad as a homophobic racist. To me that is way harsher than anything your dad has said. Why? Because he was saying those things against an "unknown" group of people..and upon meeting those said groups, acted as a true family man and neighbor.

You are his daughter and have no problems calling him a lovely man and a homophobic racist. Do you see a double standard here?
on May 31, 2006
The funny thing is that my wife is of mixed blood (her father is Anglo-Australian and her mother is Indian). I was concerned my parents would not like her or take our relationship well. But, like your Dad, they accepted her completely because she was part of the family. I find this to by somewhat hypocritical but am glad none the less.


I understand what you are saying completely. I'm glad that once my Dad was actually faced with the situation, that he come out good, just like yours did. It's amazing how differently people see someone when they become a part of their lives.

Racism implies more than merely color fixation. It is an ideology of power and domination.


That isn't all racism is, the definition....

rac·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

My Dad fits that bill.

Sally you categorize your own dad as a homophobic racist. To me that is way harsher than anything your dad has said. Why? Because he was saying those things against an "unknown" group of people..and upon meeting those said groups, acted as a true family man and neighbor.


First of all, my Dad categorizes himself as this. im merely repeating what he already admits about himself. My Dad still has these ideas about these groups though, the people he met and came into contact with are the exception in his eyes. I freely admit that by a long shot he isn't hardcore with any of his ideas, which is obvious due to his attitude once meeting these people. However his attitudes, judgements haven't changed, he still makes comments, and holds beliefs about these people.

You are his daughter and have no problems calling him a lovely man and a homophobic racist. Do you see a double standard here?


I'm a fraid I don't. I love him dearly, and he is my Dad. That doesn't mean I am not going to admit what he is, or what he believes. I completely understand why he thinks like that. A mixture of his generation, and lack of mixing with these groups. I understand it. In my eyes that doesn't make it right. I can still love him and see what is wrong.
on May 31, 2006
does not wanting to socialize with a group of people make one a racist? or does it mean that they just have preferences?
on May 31, 2006
does not wanting to socialize with a group of people make one a racist? or does it mean that they just have preferences?


I guess that depends which group it is, and what reasons you have for doing so. I'm not willing to pass judgements on situations I don't know about.
on May 31, 2006

Maybe you should try and come up with a word because that’s the only word there is to describe someone who dislikes gays.

Hmmm.....How about Bigots?

on May 31, 2006

Not to imply any outre reasons, but your dad sounds like Archie Bunker.  Spouts the line, but when confronted with real people, he sees real people.  While not perfect, at least it is a start.  And for the older generation, a great compromise.

That he raised 2 great girls is a testament that the cycle is breakable and is being broken.

on Jun 01, 2006
Spouts the line, but when confronted with real people, he sees real people. While not perfect, at least it is a start. And for the older generation, a great compromise.


Yes I agree, and I was trying to show his good side out of this article....

That he raised 2 great girls is a testament that the cycle is breakable and is being broken.


Thanks Doc, that comment is much appreciated!
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