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Why are women so drawn to problem pages? Ever since I was young, I have recieved some kind of freakish enjoyment from other peoples problems. Unfortunately, I haven't grown up just yet. While reading one of my magazines, I came across yet another problem page. One problem titled, 'He looks at Porn', my first reaction to this was, oh my your world must be coming to an end. I read the problem, and it was the usual kind of thing. This ladies husband was accessing the 'evil' internet and getting off on porn. This woman was both shocked and appalled at this terrible show of disrespect to her. Was she not good enough for him? She ordered him to stop, which he said he would, and then the most appalling thing of all happened. Yes, you guessed it, she found he was capable of lying too, and he continued to use his porn, just behind her back! I have to say I was slightly bemused by this little problem. Maybe our society over time has just become more accepting of sex, and as a young person, I know longer see the point in hiding sex, or being ashamed of my sexual needs. People watch porn. People get off on porn. So what? To use the old nutshell, we all do it, right? Obviously there are many arguments about Porn, and there are many areas in which porn is wrong. However, a guy getting on his pc, and looking at porn, in a relationship or not, is that so bad? It is just a sexual fantasy world? There are arguments that it is degrading to women. Maybe. I don't see anyone with a gun to these ladies heads though. I don't see them shying away from the money, or the attention they recieve. So is it really doing them all that harm? It's making women sexual objects? Some would argue that sex is a womans biggest asset. It all comes down to that long held battle of the sexes. Men are physically stronger, men are often viewed as the dominant sex, yet something in their pants drives them forward, and women know this. Hence, sex is their biggest asset.


In its hardcore form, pornography is now accessed in the UK by an estimated 33% of all internet users. Since the British Board of Film Classification relaxed its guidelines in 2000, hardcore video pornography now makes up between 13% and 17% of censors' viewing, compared with just 1% three years ago, a rate of growth that is being cited as a causal factor in the recent bankruptcy of Penthouse, at one time the very apotheosis of porno chic but in recent years little more risqué than Loaded. In the US, with the pornography industry bringing in up to $15bn (£8.9bn) annually, people spend more on porn every year than they do on movie tickets and all the performing arts combined. Each year, in Los Angeles alone, more than 10,000 hardcore pornographic films are made, against an annual Hollywood average of just 400 movies.


All this shows is my atttude to porn is quite realistic for the times we are living in. Porn is becoming more and more acceptable. Maybe because it is no longer something that you reach the top shelves for. It is now considered 'cool'. Not something to shy away from. I mean, you can get porn sent straight to your mobile phone now, if that isn't moving with the times I don't know what is. There is a wide spread sense that anyone who suggests pornography might have any kind of adverse effect is laughably out of touch. Coren and Skelton, former Erotic Review film critics, focus on their flip comic narrative, scarcely troubling themselves with any deeper issues. "In all our years of watching porn," they write, in a rare moment of analysis that doesn't get developed any further, "we have never properly resolved what we think about how, why and whether it is degrading to women. We suspect that it might be. We suspect that pornography might be degrading to everybody."


Channel 4's documentary Hardcore, shown a few years ago, told the story of Felicity, a single mother from Essex who travelled to Los Angeles hoping to make a career in pornography. Arriving excited, and clear about what she would not do - anal sex, double-vaginal penetration - she ended up being coerced into playing a submissive role and agreeing to anal sex. Felicity - the vicissitudes of whose own troubled relationship with her father were mirrored by the cruelty of the men with whom she ended up working - eventually escaped back to the UK. Now this raises other questions about porn. Is pornography, as most these days claim, a harmless masturbatory diversion? What about people that get addicted to porn. That view the world through 'porn tinted glasses'. What about more profound effects? How does it affect relationships? Is it addictive? Does it encourage rape, paedophilia, sexual murder? Surely tough questions need to be asked.


According to the Shorter Oxford Dictionary, the word "pornography" dates to 1864, when it described "the life, manners, etc of prostitutes or their patrons". More recently, it has come to signify material, in the words of Chambers, "intended to arouse sexual excitement". There is a general consensus that porn is a harmless past time for men. That they simpley use it to deal with their sexual needs, they don't put much thought into it, and it is only animal instinct, where can the harm be in that? Unlike women, porn has always been related strongly to males. It is expected that young boys will hide porn magazines under their beds, it's all part of growing up isn't it? Their sex education if you like. The thing I find most interesting about this is the relationship porn has with women. The vast majority of porn, gives you submissive women, willing to fulfill your every need, with little talking back. They will do what you like. In a society where women are becoming more dominant. Who have their own needs, and aren't afraid to tell you what they want, is this simpley an escapism for men. Who unable to compete in the real world, return to the sticky pages of a magazine, or a computer to get what they really want. A woman that asks nothing of them, and gives them everything they want. Surely that has to be part of the attraction. Which would suggest that it isn't only animal instinct that draws men to porn, but something alot deeper.


Si Jones, a 39-year-old north London vicar who regularly counsels men trying to "come off" pornography, admits that, for him, too, it was his introduction to sex. "As a teenager, I watched porn films with my friends at the weekend. It was just what you did. It was cool, naughty and everyone was doing it." Set against today's habit of solitary internet masturbation, Jones's collegiate introduction to porn seems peculiarly sociable. Today, boys no longer clandestinely circulate magazines after school; nor do they need to rummage through their fathers' cupboards in search of titillating material. Access to internet pornography has never been easier, its users never younger, and the heaviest demand, according to research published in the New York Times, is for " 'deviant' material including paedophilia, bondage, sadomasochism and sex acts with various animals". There seems to be something quite seedy about internet porn. That it is too easy. Because of the rising popularity of porn, and the easiness to get hold of it, it also makes it alot easier to abuse, and that's where the problems arise.


At its most basic level, pornography answers natural human curiosity. Adolescent boys want to know what sex is about, and porn certainly demonstrates the mechanics. David Morgan, consultant clinical psychologist and psychoanalyst at the Portman Clinic in London, which specialises in problems relating to sexuality and violence, describes this phase as "transitional, like a rehearsal for the real thing. The problem with pornography begins when, instead of being a temporary stop on the way to full sexual relations, it becomes a full-time place of residence." Morgan's experience of counselling men addicted to porn has convinced him that "the more time you spend in this fantasy world, the more difficult it becomes to make the transition to reality. Just like drugs, pornography provides a quick fix, a masturbatory universe people can get stuck in. This can result in their not being able to involve anyone else."


For most men, the way pornography objectifies sex strikes a visceral emotional chord. Psychotherapists Michael Thompson and Dan Kindlon, in their book Raising Cain: Protecting The Emotional Life Of Boys, suggest that objectification, for boys, starts early. "By adolescence, a boy wakes up most mornings with an erection. This can happen whether he is in a good or bad mood, whether it is a school day or a weekend ... Boys enjoy their own physical gadgetry. But the feeling isn't always, 'Look what I can do!' The feeling is often, 'Look what it can do!' - again, a reflection of the way a boy views his instrument of sexuality as just that: an object. What people might not realise when they justly criticise men for objectifying sex - viewing sex as something you do, rather than part of a relationship - is that the first experience of objectification of sexuality in a boy's life comes from his experience of his own body, having this penis that makes its own demands."


Which brings me back to the point of this article. The lady on our problem page. Does all this suggest she has a right to be annoyed at her husbands need for porn? He has a sexual partner, right there in front of him, yet he needs to sit in front of a pc to fulfill some of his sexual needs. Is this just showing his capability to restrict emotion from his sexual needs? And is that right? That is obviously what is upsetting his wife. Yet is that just the way he learnt to view sex. That he does fulfill part of his sexual needs in emotion for his wife, but he also needs another side to it. That is more raw, and more animal like. Simpley because that's how his first sexual views were formed. Can't he have both? Where do women stand on this? Women it would appear have been sexually retarded for so long. It is only now that they are starting to compete on a similar playing field to men. I sometimes feel women are batting out of their league with that though. Do we really want to be that like men? Sure, we have sexual needs too. We should be able to do what we like, and we do. However, in my opinion, our views that sex should be in the confines of a loving relationship, old fashioned as it may be, stands correct in my opinion.


Some couples watch porn together, as some sort of way of making it okay. They want to be adventurous. Nothing wrong with that, but is there not a line that shouldn't be crossed? Psychoanalyst Estela Welldon, author of the classic text Mother, Madonna, Whore, has treated couples for whom such scenarios spiralled out of control. "A lot of men involve their partners in the use of porn. Typically, they will say, 'Don't you want a better sex life?' I have seen cases in which first the woman has been subjected to porn and then they have used their own children for pornographic purposes." When couples use porn together - a growing trend, if anecdotal evidence is anything to go by - there is, says Welldon, "an illusory sense that they are getting closer together. Then they film themselves having sex and feel outside themselves. This dehumanising aspect is an important part of pornography. It dehumanises the other person, the relationship, and any intimacy." Porn can takeover, the feelings a man can have for a woman, sometimes may not be enough compared to the sexual arousal he feels when looking at porn. So when his need for porn takes over, what happens then?


Lost in a world of pornographic fantasy, men can become less inclined, as well as increasingly less able, to form lasting relationships. In part, this is due to the underlying message of pornography. Ray Wyre, a specialist in sexual crime, says pornography "encourages transience, experimentation and moving between partners". Morgan goes further: "Pornography does damage," he says, "because it encourages people to make their home in shallow relationships." There is a suggestion that porn is about control. That the user has complete control of the situation, there are no 'strings' attached to this situation. The user is completely in control. They can get what they want, when they want, and how they want. John-Paul Day, a 50-year-old Edinburgh architect in his first "non-addictive" sexual relationship, the experience of being a small boy with a dying mother drove him to seek solace in masturbation. He says he has been "addicted" to pornography his entire adult life. "The thing about it is that, unlike real life, it is incredibly safe," Day says. "I'm frightened of real sex, which is unscripted and unpredictable. And so I engage in pornography, which is totally under my control. But, of course, it also brings intense disappointment, precisely because it is not what I'm really searching for. It's rather like a hungry person standing outside the window of a restaurant, thinking that they're going to get fed."


Day, who has attended meetings of Sex Addicts Anonymous for 12 years, says, "Pornography is central to my own sex addiction in as much as sex addiction has to do with the use of fantasy as a way of escaping from reality. Even in my fantasies about 'real' people, I am really transforming them into pieces of walking pornography. It is not the reality of who they are that I focus on, but the fantasy I project on to them."


This is where the lines become blurred. Porn can become addictive, but can't everything? If you do start to have an obsession about porn, then that is bad? Well an obsession about anything isn't really that healthy, but suggesting that everyone who looks at porn becomes obssessed is just silly. Lets look at the extremes though. People that take porn them steps to far. In its most severe form, this can lead to sexual crime, though the links between the two remain controversial and much argued-over. Wyre, from his work with sex offenders, says, "It is impossible not to believe pornography plays a part in sexual violence. As we constantly confront sex offenders about their behaviour, they display a wide range of distorted views that they then use to excuse their behaviour, justify their actions, blame the victim and minimise the effect of their offending. They seek to make their own behaviour seem normal, and interpret the behaviour of the victim as consent, rather than a survival strategy. Pornography legitimises these views."


One of the most extreme examples of this is Ted Bundy, the US serial sexual murderer executed for his crimes in January 1989. The night before his death, he explained his addiction to pornography in a radio interview: "It happened in stages, gradually ... My experience with ... pornography that deals on a violent level with sexuality is that, once you become addicted to it, and I look at this as a kind of addiction like other kinds of addiction, I would keep looking for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something which is harder, harder, something which gives you a greater sense of excitement, until you reach the point where the pornography only goes so far ... It reaches that jumping-off point where you begin to wonder if, maybe, actually doing it will give you that which is beyond just reading about it or looking at it."


Bundy, as damaged as he was, stopped short of blaming pornography for his actions, though it was, he believed, an intrinsic part of the picture. "I tell you that I am not blaming pornography ... I take full responsibility for whatever I've done and all the things I've done ... I don't want to infer that I was some helpless kind of victim. And yet we're talking about an influence that is the influence of violent types of media and violent pornography, which was an indispensable link in the chain ... of events that led to behaviours, to the assaults, to the murders." In the understated words of Wyre, "The very least pornography does is make sexism sexy."


Obviously, Ted Bundy is an extreme, and I think that's the point of this whole article. Porn isn't wrong. Just too much of it isn't right. Which as I've already said is the case with most things in life. Happy masturbating people, but if you see yourself getting off on the sight of pigs mating, you've gone too far!

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on Apr 05, 2005
Excellent article, especially your dead on accurate last summation, too much of a good thing... To me, porn is ok in small (and getting smaller, in correlation with the number of my birthdays) doses and I find it extremely boring in larger quantities. No, I haven't whacked-off to porn since adolescence (along time ago in a galaxy far, far away...) but, if done responsibly and with discretion, just like with drinking alcohol and enjoying good weed, I have no problem with those that do.

Again, a well done blog!
on Apr 05, 2005
"Psychoanalyst Estela Welldon, author of the classic text Mother, Madonna, Whore..."
Thanks for the smile! Porn on! Want my number?
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on Apr 05, 2005
This was a really interesting (and informative) article, Sally. Good to see you back around.

I am really unsure about my feelings about porn. On the one hand, I see it as something commonplace and just another facet of human sexuality. But on the otherhand, I do see it as something maybe a bit degrading and a lot unrealistic in many cases(and while it is fantasy, it does create expectations and desires that aren't in sync with real life and real sex).

But porn is so mainstream now that it's invading our lives and our bedrooms regardless of our stance on it...soooo...what can you do? (Besides make your own...hehehe...which, btw, I personally don't feel creates detachment and dehumanization)
on Apr 05, 2005
Good article, Sally.
As for it being degrading to women, I think the rationale of this is that many times the men ejaculate on the women's faces. Well, basically the same thing happens when a man performs oral sex on a woman, right? Why isn't anyone screaming that maybe the men are also being degraded?
But it's not about what is degrading to the person it's happening to, it's about what gives the other person pleasure.
Have you ever seen Andrea Dworkin? A rabid anti-porn crusader that is about as grotesque a person as you would ever not want to see. Have you ever noticed that most of the people who are against porn (and prostitution and abortion also for that matter) are people you wouldn't even want to have sex with?
on Apr 06, 2005
Excellent article, especially your dead on accurate last summation, too much of a good thing...


Thanks, and I totally agree with you, like all things in life if done in sufficient quantity, then there shouldn't be a problem.

No, I haven't whacked-off to porn since adolescence (along time ago in a galaxy far, far away...)


Ha...I am very sure you're not that old

"Psychoanalyst Estela Welldon, author of the classic text Mother, Madonna, Whore..."


Haha...said with tongue firmly placed in cheek

Good to see you back around


Thanks Tex hunny, it's nice to be back!

while it is fantasy, it does create expectations and desires that aren't in sync with real life and real sex


I think that's where the problem is, that people want to carry this fantasy out for real, and then it becomes a little more complcated!

Besides make your own...hehehe...which, btw, I personally don't feel creates detachment and dehumanization


Ahh a lady after my own heart, I couldn't agree more!

Why isn't anyone screaming that maybe the men are also being degraded?


I agree that I'm sure it could be degrading for men, but it is largely dominated by women, for men. Women doing things for men. I personally don't think it is degrading for women. These ladies make their own choices, and I'm sure they get alot out of it too.

Have you ever noticed that most of the people who are against porn (and prostitution and abortion also for that matter) are people you wouldn't even want to have sex with?


....That comment made me giggle. Now that you have pointed that out....I do see where you're coming from!

Thanks for all the comments!
on Apr 06, 2005
I do see where you're coming from!


innaresting choice of phrase there sally.
on Apr 06, 2005
as i've attempted to point out elsewhere, 'addiction' is a word used far too frequently and innacurately to everyone's detriment. addiction is a physical condition resulting from the ingestion of central nervous system depressants for a period of time sufficient to cause a modification of systemic processes to the point where, in the absence of that substance, the body exhibits profound, predictable and distinct reactions. some of these can be life-threatening. by this definition, cocaine, amphetamines, hallucinogens and stimulants do not produce true addiction...nor do pornography, gambling or other activities. what your sources claim to be addiction is actually obsession, compulsion or habituation. (but don't take my word for it; ingest an intoxicating amount of valium, xanax, morphine, nicotine or alcohol on a several times daily basis for 5 years or so and then stop using them abruptly and i guarantee you an experience radically different than not being able to find someone willing to take your bet, sell you some coke or provide you with feelthy peectures.)

in those latter circumstances, you may feel uneasy, depressed, unhappy, disassociated, uncomfortable, etc. but you won't go into grand mal seizures nor will your involuntary muscle systems immediately begin reverting to normal in the most unpleasant and painful way possible.

with that outta the way, people put way too much credence in psychologists, physicians, counselors and other experts who stand to benefit themselves by convincing others they are, indeed, addicted to ________ (enter whatever deplorable behavior you choose).
on Apr 06, 2005
Hmmm Kingbee, according the my slightly dusty, yet still current "Mosby's Medical, Nursing, & Allied Health Dictionary (Fourth Edition):

Addiction: [Latin, addicere, to devote]: compulasive, uncontrollable dependence on a substance, habit, or practice to such a dgree that cessation causes severe emotional, mental or physiological reactions. Compare Habituation.

So, even though I'll agree that not everyone who masterbates to porn (or even looks at porn on a regular basis) is "addicted" (and therefore we'll agree that the term is greatly overused) if a person fits the above definition then he or she could possibly be addicted.

Personally, I think that the fact he jerked off in front of his kid should give anyone a clue about the answer,. Committing a sexual act in front of a child is still a felony, and could cost him his military career. Or should we get Michael Jackson's lawyers here to tell us why it isn't a felony anymore?

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Sally, thanks for a completely ignorant and mindnumbing insight into the void that you call a brain. If you have kids, I guess you masterbate around them all the time right?

Not that there's anything wrong with that! ;~D
on Apr 06, 2005
what your sources claim to be addiction is actually obsession, compulsion or habituation.


Thank you for that insightful comment kingbee. I stand corrected.

Sally, thanks for a completely ignorant and mindnumbing insight into the void that you call a brain. If you have kids, I guess you masterbate around them all the time right?


Ted, thank you for that insight in your ability to read between the lines. The most worrying thing I find about your comment is your inability to talk about porn without bringing children into it....now that is worrying
on Apr 06, 2005
Ted, thank you for that insight in your ability to read between the lines. The most worrying thing I find about your comment is your inability to talk about porn without bringing children into it....now that is worrying


Excuse me? What part of

John, sitting there jacking off in front of the computer, while our very alert 21-month-old Michael looks on in wonder.

http://angelamarie88.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=68109BR

did you not understand? Apparently, with all the words you chose to throw at the blogger in question, you either forgot to actually read her article, or you just jumped on your soapbox without caring what she really had to say.

Apparently your talent of selective focus also works again replies to your own articles. Yes, Kingbee offered a viable definition for "addiction", one that I'm sure he has a credible reference. However, I offered one too, but you seemed to leap over it, in favor of launching false innuendos at me.

Sloppy and myopic. Sad.
on Apr 06, 2005
people put way too much credence in psychologists, physicians, counselors and other experts who stand to benefit themselves by convincing others they are, indeed, addicted


AMEN, KB! The more so-called illnesses, the more patients shrinks have and the more money they make. Except the behavior doesn't have to be deplorable. ADD is, in my opinion, a perfect example. The big drug companies also benefit greatly.
on Apr 06, 2005
Apparently, with all the words you chose to throw at the blogger in question, you either forgot to actually read her article, or you just jumped on your soapbox without caring what she really had to say.


Ted, I don't have a clue what you're talking about, really I don't.....

Yes, Kingbee offered a viable definition for "addiction", one that I'm sure he has a credible reference. However, I offered one too, but you seemed to leap over it, in favor of launching false innuendos at me.


You seemed to ignore a whole blog in order to attack me.
on Apr 06, 2005
what the hell are u on about ted? what blogger? what has she to do with anything? whats with all the masturbating with children references?

Are you sure you're in the right frame of mind to be reading & responding to blogs? I'm just kinda confused.
on Apr 06, 2005
Okay I think I get it - Ted thinks the "John" Sally's article refers to is a fellow bloggers husband whereas Sally has written this article about a Dear Abby/Dolly/??? Agony Aunt/Doctor type column she's read in a (womans) magazine.

Total case of misunderstanding I doubt Sally has read the article Ted is talking about (Link) and I know Sally wasn't writing about this fellow blogger at all no matter how the situation may sound the same

Truth be told Sally's article would hit home to alot of women (including my mum and I know Sally's not writing this about her )
on Apr 06, 2005
Wow. I'm confused...although trina went a long way in clearing it up...
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