"Conversation should be pleasant without scurrility, witty without affectation, free without indecency, learned without conceitedness, novel without falsehood."
Published on July 28, 2004 By Sally jacobs In Dating
I hate liars more than anything. With a passion I hate those that are capable of lying at the drop of a hat. I hate people who you invest trust and time into, and they repay you by lying through their back teeth to you. My trust does not come easily, there are few people in this world I trust, you could probably count the people I trust on one hand, and if I'm fully honest the only person I can truely trust with absolutely no fear of ever being let down is myself. No one else cares about me, like I care about me. No one looks out for me, like I look out for me. The only person I ever will have the full back up of is me. I can live with that, but living a life that you don't trust anyone, is a lonely life, and you do eventually have to let people in, to what extent is completely upto you, but slowly they will creep in. Slowly you will care about people, slowly people will become important to you. Friends, lovers, family, whatever. They will have some effect on your life. You will grow to trust them. When you find a partner, someone you feel you would be willing to spend the rest of your life with, you will trust them. You will place your heart in their hands, and pray they will be gentle with it. That they won't drop it on the floor and jump all over it. Because that hurts. Alot.

Which gets me on to partners that cheat. I have idealistic morals, morals that I think the world should live by, but when put in situations where these morals are tested, it's not always so easy to live by them. I'm not stupid, I know there is an exception to every rule, I know by not living by the same morals by me doesn't make you evil, by breaking these morals it doesn't make you evil. There are exceptions. I'm not interested in the exceptions at the moment. It's the spineless people that view cheating as a sport, as a competition, something they can brag to other people about. I was out a few weeks ago, and i was in a queue for a club or something and there was these two guys behind me. Now there conversation started off by rating the local talent, comments such as "oooh she's got nice tits" I can live with. They insulted a few people too. This also I can live with. Then they got into a conversation about previous relationships. They compared how many women they had cheated on! They had practically cheated on every single woman they had been with! Some didn't count though, if the woman wasn't so attractive, it was understandable they had being cheated on, and they should be grateful a lovely lad like him had given her the time of day in the first place. The length of the relationship was also important. If it was a short relationship, cheating didn't count. Also, and this is the best one, if you don't get caught, you don't technically cheat. How good is that one? Now me and my friend were listening to this conversation, and I could tell by her face she was thinking we should both turn around and bitch slap both these boys for all our sisters out there.

Women are the same, I'm not even trying to kid myself, thinking we are all angelic and incapable of such behaviour, we are probably more devious than men! I have friends who think it's ok to cheat. Because? Men are dogs and you are only beating them to what they will inevitably do to you. Two wrongs don't make a right in my book. I have a friend that actually gets a kick out of it, that she has the nice guy she goes out with and keeps as the caring boyfriend, who makes her feel great and all that stuff, then she has the bloke she keeps strictly for the bedroom. It's a turn on that she is doing something bad, that she might get caught. I can kind of understand that. The whole adrenaline rush. I understand it. I also think there are much better ways of getting your kicks than playing with other peoples emotions. What worries me is it is becoming the norm. It would be quicker for me to tell you the people I know who have never cheated.

Now apart from these people that cheat for the fun of it, those that never really care about either parties, and will quite happily move on to the next people. There are those that claim to be in love with both parties. They love two people and to make a choice is just to difficult. This is where my idealistic morals come into play. I don't think that is possible. If you truely love someone, then to look at another person to me would be impossible, to consider getting close to someone else, would not even cross my mind. To hurt that person I was in a relationship to that extent, would be impossible. I can never imagine doing it, I never have done it, and I never will do it. It's been done to me. I've invested time and emotion into someone, and I've had it thrown back in my face. Now when people find out that their significant other has done the dirty, why is it they go after the person that their partner is cheating with? it's your partner that owes you the trust, that dedicated themselves to you. Is it just easier to blame somone else than the person you love? Maybe, but we need to realise these people are not worth knowing in the first place, Remember there are exceptions, sometimes it is impossible to escape this situation. Sometimes you come across people you connect with on levels you never thought were possible, and one or both of you may be already partnered up. There are right ways of doing things though. You don't have to cheat.

If you come across someone who you think has the ability to make you cheat, or someone you wish to be with, then have the guts to end the relationship you are already in. Or at least being honest about your feelings. We are all human, obviously we find people we are attractive to. Of course we do, but are them people worth risking the relationship you already have? Or are you just a little bored, and looking for that adrenaline rush, believe me it's not worth it, risking what you already have. Just remember to be honest with yourself and those you love. It also works the other way. If you meet someone who is partnered up and you are attracted to them. My advice to you? Walk away. You're setting yourself up for fall, or someone else. If that person is truely for you, it will work out that way, without you having to cheat, and I truely believe that. Love is complicated in the first place, with two people, don't make it ten times worse. Maybe I just am idealistic.

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on Jul 28, 2004
I give my trust freely-once. Once you break it, it takes a lot of work to earn it back.

I agree with your assessment that the only person you can count on to always have your back is yourself!

Good blog, sally!
on Jul 28, 2004
I give my trust freely-once. Once you break it, it takes a lot of work to earn it back


I'm pretty much the same way. I will trust you until you prove to me that I can not. And once that happens it is very hard to gain my trust again. In fact, I can't think of any time where I have trusted someone who at one point betrayed me.

What I don't understand is this kind of situation. Guy A convinces Girl B to cheat on her partner, Guy C. Guy A managed to "steal" Girl B away from Guy C. Why on earth would Guy A want Girl B at that point? She has already proven that she can not be trusted. Does Guy A think that she would not cheat on him like she did on Guy C?
on Jul 28, 2004

I'm with Shades and CS.  It takes a lot for me to trust anyone, because I've been betrayed before...and I know from experience that once that bond of trust has been broken I may as well call it quits right there and then, because I'm never going to be able to trust that person again.  No matter how hard I try.


I think that CS has a point with his A, B and C scenario.  If B cheated on C, she's shown that she has the capacity for betrayal - so why should her relationship with A be any different?


Once a cheater, always a cheater IMO.

on Jul 28, 2004
Is it cheating or wrong if you like 2 guys at teh same time, but your not in a relationship with both, your in a relationshp with one....and have let that one know that you have a liking to another guy. This is too hard to explain

Girl A has a bf GUY 1.....Girl A breaks up with GUY 1. Girl A meets GUY 2. Girl A likes GUY 2 and they have a friendship/attraction type of relationship. Girl A talks to GUY 1 and an attraction builds there as well, buut Girl A keeps her relationship with GUY 1 as strict friends and doesn't imply anything other than that with GUY 1 even though it is clear that GUY 1 wants more than just friends. Girl A realizes that she still has feelings for GUY 1 and lets GUY 2 know.

She's only trying to figure out who she likes, but doesn't have a relationship with both....only one of them. IS that wrong?
on Jul 28, 2004

IS that wrong?


It's confusing, I know that much, and I'm not even in the relationship!!


So, the girl is in a relationship with guy 2, having broken up with guy 1 because she had feelings for guy 2.  Now she's realizing that she's having more feelings for guy 1, even though she broke up with him for guy 2. 


Wow.  has the girl taken any action about her feelings?  I mean, has there been any kissing or making out or physical contact?  I would hope not, that would make things even more confusing for her. 


Umm...I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that yes, IMO it's wrong.  Because she's in a relationship with guy 2 but is harboring feelings for guy 1.


Just my opinion...feel free to disagree with me if you want.

on Jul 28, 2004
I have to agree with the "If you find someone that is partnered up, and you have feelings for them.. Walk away" advice. Very sound....

I'm with most everyone else on things... I give trust out to those I meet.. and take it back when they do me wrong... and if I'm done wrong it takes me a long time to trust them again if ever....

on Jul 28, 2004


I don't hand my trust out easily as like many others I've been burn't in the past. I knew this girl who used to lie all the time about the most ridiculous things, but the reason she always got caught out was she had a terrible memory and could never remember the full story she had created. So it would always be changing. That's the scary thing, really good liars (and to a degree cheaters) have a great ability to create and keep up a story or image. It's just a shame they don't put their talents to a better use.

Thanks again for another great blog!
on Jul 28, 2004
Trust only those that you can trust to desert you.
on Jul 28, 2004

I knew this girl who used to lie all the time about the most ridiculous things, but the reason she always got caught out was she had a terrible memory and could never remember the full story she had created


'Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we pratice to deceive'....and I agree totally about finding some better way to channel your abilities than fibbing to people!

on Jul 28, 2004
You will place your heart in their hands, and pray they will be gentle with it. That they won't drop it on the floor and jump all over it. Because that hurts


I think we should aim to establish our own inner-foundation and strive to share it with another, rather than aiming to establish our foundation in another. Then our foundation can't be taken away. Then we don't have to put barriers up to protect our gentle heart. If the other person messes around or turns out to be an insecent liar, it's their loss, not ours.
on Jul 28, 2004
Wow! Thanks for all the comments, they are all really appreciated! It took me a while to figure out all the Guy A and Girl B stuff, mostly because I'm slow, hehe!

I give my trust freely-once. Once you break it, it takes a lot of work to earn it back.


I agree with that, it's a gift to someone I think and if they break it, it's like throwing it back in your face. To a degree for me it has to be earnt in the first place.

Does Guy A think that she would not cheat on him like she did on Guy C?


Everyone likes to think they are the exception I think. Though it proves this person is capable of cheating, I doubt this guy thinks it can happen to me, he probably just thinks he's the better guy, because he 'won' her affections!

Dharma, lovely to see you here, and I agree, once a cheater always a cheater!

once that bond of trust has been broken I may as well call it quits right there and then, because I'm never going to be able to trust that person again.


I'm the same, once I lose trust with someone, for me there is no foundation to build the relationship on, and I may as well walk away.

Mandeep wow that was complicated. I don't think it's wrong. you're not in a relationship with either? But like them both? You should just step back, be friends with both, and not try and force anything. If something happens go with the flow, but be honest with both of them.

If you find someone that is partnered up, and you have feelings for them.. Walk away" advice. Very sound....


M-Post, I didn't think of you when writing this, but I know why you agree!

That's the scary thing, really good liars (and to a degree cheaters) have a great ability to create and keep up a story or image


I think they actually start to believe the lies themselves, so in their mind they are telling the truth

Trust only those that you can trust to desert you.


'Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we pratice to deceive'


Words of great wisdom! Thanks guys!

If the other person messes around or turns out to be an insecent liar, it's their loss, not ours.


It is, but it still hurts


on Jul 29, 2004
The many faces of adam and eve huh?

Human beings are natural born cheaters. More importantly our emotions are. They pre-exist their subjects of fixation and they will extend and endure long after those subjects have disappeared. I believe that love is no different, and certainly more so for attraction (or more crudely, and more accurately, lust).

We experience fidelity in so many shapes and forms - to family, to friends, to country and God - but this fidelity is usually indistinguishable from the thing that that fidelity is pledged to. We are loyal to family in as much as we believe them to be family, to God in as much as we believe it to be our god and out lover in as much as we believe them to be the one we love and to the extent we believe that they are the only one we love or are capable of loving.

If someone cheats on you than the chances are that they never thought much of you in the first place, other than as the carcass that their vulture emotions feed on, or they're pathologically inclined to betray the things they love. Such people do exist but i am not yet sure whether they deserve sympathy or trust. Of course there are times when the blame can be shouldered by the offended party. There are people that deserve infidelity from their partners.

Don't know where i'm going with this, but your article got me thinking ( i really liked this one by the way) and it always has been a topic that fascinates me.

Marco XX
on Jul 29, 2004

fidelity is usually indistinguishable from the thing that that fidelity is pledged to.


That's a very good point. 


 

on Jul 29, 2004
If someone cheats on you than the chances are that they never thought much of you in the first place


That's true, but they probably didn't like themselves too, in the first place.

It is, but it still hurts


You're right Sally, but I think they'll come a time when it won't hurt. Here's hoping. It's a question of time and growth in my view. (And dare I say many lifetimes?)
on Jul 30, 2004
Marco! You're right that there are so many different kinds of fidelity, but that just matches the different kinds of love. People think love is unconditional, it's not. No matter at what point it's at, there will be a condition, people can only push you so far, family can push you alot further though, and your trust for family is alot great, because there are so many unwritten rules when it comes to family. They usually stick by you and help you. No matter what.

There are people that deserve infidelity from their partners


Ouch, I'm not sure if I agree with that. Maybe they do deserve it, but if it happens to them doesn't that make the other partner just as bad as them? I don't think there is any excuse for that behaviour, I really don't. They should just walk away. Instead of feeling they always have to have someone around!

Thanks for the comment Marco!

It's a question of time and growth in my view.


Maybe I'm just not mature enough for that yet. Or maybe I'm just too emotional!
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